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salvadorian said:
I just think it's pretty un-christian to hate anybody. And yet, most of the people I know who are Christians seem to hate everyone that isn't a Christian and claim that they will go to hell unless they believe in God in exactly the way that they do.
I also think it's stupid that a war memorial that happens to be a cross is seen as forcing religion on people. Honestly, people just need to get their heads out of their butts and realize that it doesn't matter. Don't like the cross? Don't look at it and don't complain.
A Christian? Don't tell gay people they're going to hell and don't tell everyone that isn't your exact sect of Christianity that they'll be bathing in fire once they die.
Christianity is supposed to be about love, but I think that there are a lot of Christians that just want to be able to do what they want and be forgivin.
My grandparents are super Christian, super poor, and super happy. They do what they should as Christians and I think that that is very rare. They put in the work to recieve the good parts of Christianity.
Those that use the bible as an instrument to advocate their fear and hate should take a good long look at themselves and realized that Jesus probably isn't gushing over their interpretation on the extremely old book written by mortal men about God and his existance.
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Well...you've discovered the difference between Faith and religion.

Faith is about living up to the expectations of yourself, and your chosen deity. Faith is about belief in something more powerful than yourself. Faith is about being the absolute best human being that you can be, just because...not out of fear of punishment.

Religion is about judgement, persecution, fear mongering, hate of those you oppose, violence, destruction and greed...in the name of faith. Strikes a bit of a conundrum, doesn't it?

This is why I denounce religion, yet embrace faith. This is why I hate Chrsitianity, but live by a "Christian Code". This is why my personal beliefs are mine alone, and NOT to be regulated and controlloed by a man-made set of rules, a man-made story book, and a man-made set of beliefs. This is why I am "Spiritual, but not religious".

As far as ignoring the cross goes...it's a violation of the constitution. I already turn a blind eye to m8illions of Constitutional Violations in the name of religion. Why should I allow one more? How many times a day do you expect me(and everyone else) to close our eyes and ignore things?

I have a brilliant idea...why don't the religious fanatics that feel like they have the right to say, do, and build whatever they want wherever they want take a break, and sit down for a few hundred years, so the rest of us can enjoy the world we live in for a change, without having to walk on egg shells, close our eyes to things that are incredibly offensive, and pretend that they are right?

Noin-Christians have been closing their eyes and biting their tongues in this country since about 1776. It's just about time that we didn't need to do that anymore, don't you think? EVERYTIOME there is a debate or lawsuit brought about to remove a Christian artifact from public places...we are told to close our eyes and ignore it if we don't like it. Everytmie a song is written and forced on our schoolchildren representative of the Christian Religion...we are told to close our eyes and ignore it if we don't like it. Everytime their is a religious demonstration, protest, or party...we are told to close our eyes if we don't like it.

Here's another novel idea; The next time a young lady in desperate need of help from amking a life altering mistake walks into a clinic...close your eyes and ignore it. The next time a homosexual coulple wants to secure their future through a legally binding marriage contract...close your eyes and ignore it. The next time a pagan family wants to pray and worship their own gods and goddesses in quiet meditation and prayer by themselves at a schoolground...close your eyes and ignore it.

I see an AWFUL lot of Chrsitians telling me to close my eyes and ignore those things I don't like. On the flip side of tha same coin...I see an AWFUL lot of Christians keeping their eyes, ears, and mouths WIDE open everytime something slightly offends them.

Tell you what...take your advice to ignore it and go pound sand. I'm done ignoring it.
 
Oh... well... I'm not a Christian either. I believe in faith but I dislike religion as well. I just think that if we expect Christians to ignore abortion, we should be able to ignore their religious relics.
 
salvadorian said:
Oh... well... I'm not a Christian either. I believe in faith but I dislike religion as well. I just think that if we expect Christians to ignore abortion, we should be able to ignore their religious relics.
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Well, that's kind of the point. Abortion, gay rights, referances to God in all sorts of songs and pledges that our children are [required to recite at schools, prayer in schools, public protests of private events, sniuper fire at health clinics, bombs at Planned Parenthood...all of these things are "hot button topics" for the religious right in this country. They NEVER ignore it. In fact, they fight clear to the Supreme Court every 4 years or so to get their own way and keep THEIR beliefs on OUR bodies. And every single one of those "laws" they try to pass are a complete violation of MY Constitutional Rights.

IF they would stop doing this, and allow everyone ELSE to live their lives...I might be more willing to turn a blind eye to a silly little cross in the middle of the desert. But if they want to constantly and continually interfere with millions of lives everyday because they disagree with private, personal and entirely legal choices that people make...they can go pound sand about the cross.

Quite frankly, I'm quite sick of their god interfering with my life. MY God doesn't care about these things, and neither do I. Frankly...my God tells me that I am no the judge, and that ONLY He can judge anyone. How very Christian it is to judge someone as unworthy of living, and shoot them because they perform a very legal and very often necessary medical procedure. How very Christian of them to judge people based on sexuality, and deny them any sort of legal foundation for a secure future even though their sexuality is neither illegal nor a choice.

How very Christian of them, indeed...
 
Yes, I agree, many Christians are very cruel in their choices to judge others for God. But what you said is not true to all Christians. GOOD Christians (who do what the bible actually says, ie., "treat others as you would like to be treated") do not do these things. My grandparents would never do any of those things, and they're extremely pentecostal.
Just as I said, I do not like it when "Christians" choose to use the bible as an instrument of hate rather than love, understanding, and tolerance. That is all.

Over and out!
 
salvadorian said:
Yes, I agree, many Christians are very cruel in their choices to judge others for God. But what you said is not true to all Christians. GOOD Christians (who do what the bible actually says, ie., "treat others as you would like to be treated") do not do these things. My grandparents would never do any of those things, and they're extremely pentecostal.
Just as I said, I do not like it when "Christians" choose to use the bible as an instrument of hate rather than love, understanding, and tolerance. That is all.

Over and out!
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I know it's not all Christians. There are good and bad in every classification of people. Unfortunately, it's the ones that act like I described above that haver the deepest pockets and biggest voices when it comes to making strides in the government and lobbying.

I absolutely do NOT intend to group ALL Chrisitans the same. There is a good and a bad for everything...
 
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tyflier said:
I know it's not all Christians. There are good and bad in every classification of people. Unfortunately, it's the ones that act like I described above that haver the deepest pockets and biggest voices when it comes to making strides in the government and lobbying.

I absolutely do NOT intend to group ALL Chrisitans the same. There is a good and a bad for everything...
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Well it would be nice to point out which ones you are talking about first.
Because this type of bashing is hurting Christians as a whole.
I know most here don't care. But if this was about women or blacks or fat people it might be different story.


I understood how some of you feel on this topic eight months ago .
And ten pages ago too.

So,,,,you have any pictures of your corns??
Or can we have some pandas now.
 
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Lennycorn said:
Well it would be nice to point out which ones you are talking about first.
Because this type of bashing is hurting Christians as a whole.
I know most here don't care. But if this was about women or blacks or fat people it might be different story.


I understood how some of you feel on this topic eight months ago .
And ten pages ago too.

So,,,,you have any pictures of your corns??
Or can we have some pandas now.
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I thought I made it clear which ones I was talking about. If you aren't one of the Christians fighting tooth and nail to take away the rights of other individuals, than I wasn't talking about you. If you're one of the Christians that supports those fighting tooth and nail to take away MY rights...than you are who I was referring to.

If you're a God fearing Christian that is just as abhored as I am at the attempts of other "christians" to control other people and strip them of their basic rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, than you and I will find ourselves in agreement on most religious and political topics. If you're one of the "other" Christians...than I don't have any sympathy if I've hurt your feelings or "given you a bad name". Frankly, if the truth hurts...change it.

Bottom line is that what I've posted is absolutely true, and can be seen in almost every major "Moral Majority" issue over the last 15 years or more. If that gives Christians a bad name, which I agree 100% that it does...you're complaining to the wrong person. It's THEM that is making you look bad...not me...
 
This is sort of like a reptile keeper showing a poor feeding vidieo.

Other keepers will shun him because he show keeper as a whole in poor way to non reptile keepers.


I'm just getting tired of it all.
 
I can see both sides I think? Because I completely understand what Fred said in his post about how it's OK to post cartoons making fun of Jesus and if it were another issue like being gay it would be outrageous.
However, there is a lot of things said and done in the name of Christ that would probably make the man Himself very dissappointed if he saw it. And what do we know, maybe He does.
Well only good thing I can think of is that if any Christians are being made uncomfortable reading this thread I can only hope there is some kind of good thing to come of this like maybe more understanding of other minorities besides your own or what it feels like when it's YOUR group getting dissed.
BTW who knew Jesus was into herps? Is that a croc he's got on that dino with him? (Just trying to lighten the mood a bit)
 
Lennycorn said:
This is sort of like a reptile keeper showing a poor feeding vidieo.

Other keepers will shun him because he show keeper as a whole in poor way to non reptile keepers.


I'm just getting tired of it all.
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Does he not deserve to be shunned for displaying poor husbandry techniques? Or would you blindly support him because of your common belief in reptiles?

Perhaps if all the good Christians got together and started to shun all the "bad" Christians...we wouldn't be having this conversation...
 
you know what i hate, not to start another argument, jahovas witnesses. they came to my door once and i answered it with only shorts on and a bottle of captain just for the effect. i saw them coming down the street so i was prepared. i hate them for thinking they have the right to step on my property trying to preach on my stoop. is it legal to point a gun at them if they do it again. i wouldnt load it, but i would like to see their faces with a break action 16g pointing them in the face. that gun would wake jesus up if fired.
 
tyflier said:
Does he not deserve to be shunned for displaying poor husbandry techniques? Or would you blindly support him because of your common belief in reptiles?

Perhaps if all the good Christians got together and started to shun all the "bad" Christians...we wouldn't be having this conversation...
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Who is good??? You ...me!!

Are you better than me???

Am I of you??

Ahhh.

I do fear, just so you know.
 
Lennycorn said:
Who is good??? You ...me!!

Are you better than me???

Am I of you??

Ahhh.

I do fear, just so you know.
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I'm not the judge of who is good or bad, which is why I put the word bad in quotation marks. But I do know that the bible clearly states that we are not the judges of mankind, that we should love and treat our neighbors as we would want to be loved and treated, and that ALL of mankind was created in God's image.

Now to me...those are fairly simple rules to follow. Don't strip away the rights of other people. You don't have to be pro-abortion to be pro-choice. Will people abuse it if legal? Yup. Absolutely they will. But it is not my job nor your job to judge them for their reasons, and it is not our job to legislate them based on our beliefs. The whole gay rights issue blows my mind. If you or your church don't want to marry homosexuals, that's your right, as you belong to, essentially, a private club. But to write legislation preventing basic American rights to a couple because of personal beliefs is certainly judgemental, and what I would call "bad christianity". Not to mention unConstitutional.

And I won't even begin to talk about the people that hold rallies and protests, threatening, pushing, hitting people as they walk into and out of Planned Parenthood or the local clinic. And the ones that just get their gun or pipe bombs in the name of God? Clearly a case od "bad Chrsitianity".

I know you are smart enough to understand what was meant by "bad" in my above post. I'm sorry if you believe in religous legislation, because I do not. Church has no business in the affairs of the law. This is the precise intent of the Seperation of Church and State. And the reasons behind this legislation is absolutely NOT what any God I have ever believed in taught...

It doesn't make anyone bad or good in my eyes. You are the one that said it makes Christians look bad. I'm not saying anything that is untrue. I am not saying aything that is derogatory. I am not saying anything that can't be observed on a daily basis in this country. The people that are making Christianity and Christians look bad are the "christians" that think they are too good to follow God's teachings, not me for pointing it out.
 
pwargcm said:
you know what i hate, not to start another argument, jahovas witnesses. they came to my door once and i answered it with only shorts on and a bottle of captain just for the effect. i saw them coming down the street so i was prepared. i hate them for thinking they have the right to step on my property trying to preach on my stoop. is it legal to point a gun at them if they do it again. i wouldnt load it, but i would like to see their faces with a break action 16g pointing them in the face. that gun would wake jesus up if fired.
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i think i love you
 
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