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Am I sinister?

jetmerritt

jetmerritt

Wife Convincer
I like to get live mice and name them after annoying co-workers/boss, then feed them to my corn... Is that really creepy or is that a norm for all of us snake people?

I have fun with it. I hope nobody thinks I will go :madeuce: I'm really not that kind of person.
 
Ill ditto. Everything has a place in the circle of life and humans are responsible for causing the most suffering within that. If you are naming the mice and therefore achieving some joy at the death of an animal in a very painful way... Creepy.
 
1. I sincerely apologize for posting this. I think I made a poor choice given the environment.

2. If you eat any animal products and are not willing to kill an animal to partake, then those type of people are in my opinion hypocritical. I have shot a moose and ate it. It broke my heart to kill a majestic animal such as that. But, I needed food.

3. I had a bad F/T feed. Thought I'd try live. The snake seemed to appreciate the change.

I hope a mod will close this thread. I made a mistake.

Thank you.

Jason.
 
Plenty of folks are willing to kill their own food, but it simply isn't feasible for them to do so. I'm currently eating roast venison killed by someone I know personally. If I had the skill and means to do so, I'd kill my own and have a stocked freezer just about year round. Most people aren't capable of this though, and our overpopulation would render the wildlife gone pretty quick.

It certainly isn't comparable to deliberately taking pleasure in a creature's death, given the wide option of frozen thawed across the country. Name one of those and I doubt anyone would have made a negative comment.

But I agree, feeding live when most corns seem to take to f/t no problem is the sinister part, and it raises my hackles at work when people ask about feeding their snakes live. We direct them to the competition if they refuse to consider frozen, which I'm sure you know all of the benefits over live already?

Sorry, but the barb against meat eating was unnecessary, and that was going to be my main point.
 
I eat a lot of red meat and poultry and my dog is also fed on a prey model raw diet. I have a huge standing freezer full of raw meat in my apartment. I do, however, choose to source both my food as well as my dog's from local butchers who get their product from local farmers. I've been to a few of these farms and the animals are raised with care and put down humanely. I also source a lot from local hunters in the area who have excess meat to ensure nothing goes to waste.

There is a HUGE difference between that and feeding a captive-bred snake a live mouse in an enclosed area. It's a completely inhumane death and potential death for the snake as well. There is no point to it, ESPECIALLY as F/T food is readily available and often cheaper as well.
 
Wouldn't it be better to have a bit of fun at the way the mouse was frozen? I always giggle when they are in the "superman" position or look like they were trying to swim or something.

Also, not all of us can hunt, nor should we. I'm severely hemophobic, I throw up if the mouse leaks blood while it thaws, let alone having to kill and butcher another animal.
 
Senusenu said:
Sorry, but the barb against meat eating was unnecessary, and that was going to be my main point.
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I was raised with different values I guess. I don't see the difference between a snake eating meat and a human. It's life that has to be taken. In both cases it seems it's the natural order of things. F/T and live are both killed by suffocation. This is how it works with the millions of snakes and mice in the wild. I brought nature into my home. I respect nature. I believe my snake communicated to me that it wants to hunt, I allowed it to.

I grew up with my mom feeding our boa live food when I was 7 years old.

I hope this thread :sidestep: soon. :headbang:

Again, I see my viewpoints are offensive here and I apologize, someone please kindly flag this for removal.

I will only use this site for referencing information from now on.
 
Yes, in the wild where prey has the option and ability to escape, that is natural. A house with regulated temperature and another animal handing food is not. You are risking your snake by feeding live, as live rodents can and will fight back and possibly even kill your snake because it can't escape as it would in nature. Your habitat is not nature.

Just because that's how it was done before does not mean that's how it needs to be done now. You are capable of exacting change regardless of how you were raised.

I was raised to respect life and nature. My parents hunted very often, my dad cleaned and cut the deer himself. We also fished as well. Hunting versus not hunting is not a binary choice, it isn't hunt OR you don't care how your food is prepared. There are other options for humanely killed food animals for humans and snakes.
 
There is no benefit to feed your snakes live if they take FT. 'Virtually all cornsnakes will take FT.

It is dangerous to the snake to feed live. You can't protect the snake faster than the mouse can bite.'

It is cruel to the rodent.

To use your analogy, you don't go out and hack off pieces of the moose while it is still walking around.
 
jetmerritt said:
I was raised with different values I guess. I don't see the difference between a snake eating meat and a human. It's life that has to be taken. In both cases it seems it's the natural order of things. F/T and live are both killed by suffocation. This is how it works with the millions of snakes and mice in the wild. I brought nature into my home. I respect nature. I believe my snake communicated to me that it wants to hunt, I allowed it to.

I grew up with my mom feeding our boa live food when I was 7 years old.

I hope this thread :sidestep: soon. :headbang:

Again, I see my viewpoints are offensive here and I apologize, someone please kindly flag this for removal.

I will only use this site for referencing information from now on.
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We don't go out and attack animals who are trapped in a closed area! There is a difference. I hunt, fish and was raised around ranches. We use to raise our own pork, and beef. But we humanely killed them before butchering them.

There is nothing natural about putting a snake in a cage.
 
You can always buy the mice live and then kill them by cervical dislocation.
You can still name the mice after your annoying co workers though!

PS. A mod won't close the thread.. as beautifully wild said!
 
jetmerritt said:
I was raised with different values I guess. I don't see the difference between a snake eating meat and a human. It's life that has to be taken. In both cases it seems it's the natural order of things. F/T and live are both killed by suffocation. This is how it works with the millions of snakes and mice in the wild. I brought nature into my home. I respect nature. I believe my snake communicated to me that it wants to hunt, I allowed it to.

I grew up with my mom feeding our boa live food when I was 7 years old.

I hope this thread :sidestep: soon. :headbang:

Again, I see my viewpoints are offensive here and I apologize, someone please kindly flag this for removal.

I will only use this site for referencing information from now on.
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Using the " I brought nature into my home so feeding live is just peachy" argument has more holes in it than swiss cheese. There is NOTHING natural about keeping a snake as a pet in the first place, and feeding live food to an animal that will accept thawed is unneccessarily cruel, both to the mouse and to the snake.
If you want your snake to live a "natural" life, you can let him go outside. That way he can get parasites, be eaten by an owl, hit by a car, or slowly starve to death because that is how nature is!
 
The gist of this thread jarrett is that is not bad for your snake to eat meat. By all means feed them mice please but if you feed f/t you avoid a lot of risk factors that could injure your snake. When the mouse is frozen it kills most of the bacteria and it prevents an angry/scared mouse from biting your snake. If you do wanna buy live mice you can humanely eauthanize them first with a C02 chamber or like alicat said cervical dislocation. That way you are 100% certain that you co-worker named miscicles always have a belly to go to since you will have removed all the dangers from feeding(other than temp regulation ofcourse).
 
I thought it was funny...

We dissect them while alive, open their heads and attach electrodes to their brains, inject them full of cancer causing genes, so if it's all in the name of science it's not cruel I guess...?...

I don't get the hate that comes up because some folks feed live prey items vs. f/t or prekilled. Dead is dead, whether you smother it with CO2, dislocate it's neck or allow a snake to do what it has "naturally" done for millions of years, constrict and swallow rodents. Kathy Love raised mice for years for her snakes; I wonder :rolleyes: if she got alot of grief about it. Not going to argue rights/wrongs of it, I've been keeping snakes long enough now to have formulated my own opinions on a lot of things regarding keeping corns. FWIW I feed f/t because it's simply more convenient than buying live mice and I refuse to raise the lil buggers. Just not a fan, white, field, "fancy" whatever. I like rats tho :).

I understand the safety issue, and corn snakes have proven opportunistic as to what they will eat, dead or alive, making them only more appealing for those who otherwise wouldn't keep a "live only" snake or species of snake.
 
My issue was more with the op's argument than him feeding his snake live. I have and will do so again if the time arises. It is not my favorite thing to do.! Hell, I still name all the f/t mice my ex husbands name before feeding them. Just the thought of him dead and getting eaten makes me feel all warm and fuzzy LOL (yes, I have issues) :D
 
chris68 said:
I thought it was funny...

We dissect them while alive, open their heads and attach electrodes to their brains, inject them full of cancer causing genes, so if it's all in the name of science it's not cruel I guess...?...

I don't get the hate that comes up because some folks feed live prey items vs. f/t or prekilled. Dead is dead, whether you smother it with CO2, dislocate it's neck or allow a snake to do what it has "naturally" done for millions of years, constrict and swallow rodents. Kathy Love raised mice for years for her snakes; I wonder :rolleyes: if she got alot of grief about it. Not going to argue rights/wrongs of it, I've been keeping snakes long enough now to have formulated my own opinions on a lot of things regarding keeping corns. FWIW I feed f/t because it's simply more convenient than buying live mice and I refuse to raise the lil buggers. Just not a fan, white, field, "fancy" whatever. I like rats tho :).

I understand the safety issue, and corn snakes have proven opportunistic as to what they will eat, dead or alive, making them only more appealing for those who otherwise wouldn't keep a "live only" snake or species of snake.
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I personally have NEVER dissected a living creature while it was still alive, and wouldn't be friends with anyone who does that.
I don't think I am alone in my belief that living things that can feel fear and pain should be respected, even if their end is to be food. The world is full of suffering as it is but that does not mean that I have to perpetuate it when it is not neccessary to do so. I feel a personal responsibility to cause as little pain and suffering in this world by my own hands as possible. I also feel the eyes of the world upon not only my actions, but the actions of everyone who engages in this hobby. When I was younger, before I started keeping snakes myself, my view of this hobby was not a very nice one, due to the kind of people who seem to get off on killing small cute little critters. I can't but help to think of all the people out there trying to ban my pets who view members of this hobby the same way that I used to......

Yeah, I may be a soft hearted freak, but I think I am in pretty good company.....
 
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