Amelanistic Bloodred Lavender?

[patm1313]

Have these ever been created? I was amusing myself by creating mate pairs on the Generic Genitic Wizard (henseforth GGW). I was looking at lavender bloodreds (called plasma right?) and saw that they had very little black pigment in them, so what would Amelanisticizing (my new word!) do to them?

Here's the report:

Male = Amelanistic, Bloodred, Lavender
Female = Amelanistic het. Plasma

Offspring predicted as:

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1/4 Amelanistic (het. Bloodred, het. Lavender)
1/4 Amelanistic, Bloodred (het. Lavender)
1/4 Opal (het. Bloodred)
1/4 Amelanistic, Bloodred, Lavender

If they have been created, can someone please send me a link to the pictures?

 

[bekers71]

Im sure some one some where has done this. Shoot, every time I think of some thing some one else already did it. So what the heck, I say do it any way and try to improve it. A Fire Lavender would be pretty to see!

 

[Roy Munson]

Opal-Bloodreds HAVE been produced. This site's admin, Rich Z. of Serpenco, posted pics of them once, I think. Do a search for posts containing the word "blopal" and look for threads started by Rich.

FYI: I see the Europeans using the tradename "Plasma" a lot for Lavender-Bloodreds, but it doesn't seem to have caught on much here in the U.S.. I don't like the name. They'll always be lav-bloods to me.

 

[bekers71]

Opal-Bloodreds HAVE been produced.

:dunce:=me. Completely forgot about those. duuhhh!

 

[patm1313]

FYI: I see the Europeans using the tradename "Plasma" a lot for Lavender-Bloodreds, but it doesn't seem to have caught on much here in the U.S.. I don't like the name. They'll always be lav-bloods to me.

I agree. I find that some names though, are important as they sound cooler and are just common speak, and others (ie. creamsicle) designate that it's not just a specific trait, but that it has other properties (ie. hybird).

I'm assuming then that the GGW was made in europe.

 

[dwyn127]

FYI: I see the Europeans using the tradename "Plasma" a lot for Lavender-Bloodreds, but it doesn't seem to have caught on much here in the U.S.. I don't like the name. They'll always be lav-bloods to me.

Same here. Plasma is yellowish in color anyway.

 

[patm1313]

Wow, I just saw the little blopal. I'm definetley making some once I get all my future breeding plans are laid out and I get another snake and raise them both to breeding age (oh the time :uhoh. Dean, what's the value of a blopal in the market. It would be great if you could give me an estimate for price, but what about value of importance to breeders? would it catch on?

And I know you were talking about this in another thread, would blopal be pronounced Blow-Pull or or Blow-Pal Bloo-Pul or what in your oppinion?)

 

[Susielea]

Hey, I'm from Europe and I still prefer Lavender-Bloodred, even "Lavender-diffused" sound better I think. Admitted a lot of the peeps over here do use Plasma more.

Using the word Plasma makes me think of a really insipid yellow colour, not at all what a Lavender- blood looks like IMO.

 

[patm1313]

So then, diffused means bloodred?

 

[KJUN]

So then, diffused means bloodred?

Only to people that want to fix something that ain't broke.

 

[KJUN]

Same here. Plasma is yellowish in color anyway.

You people are thinking of the wrong definition of "plasma."

Still, I would NEVER call a lavender bloodred such a silly name. Of course, that may be because the wrong clique has tried to tell me I have to.....
KJ

 

[Roy Munson]

Wow, I just saw the little blopal. I'm definetley making some once I get all my future breeding plans are laid out and I get another snake and raise them both to breeding age (oh the time :uhoh.

My friend Joe Cala (the guy who helped you with your Punnett squares) and I have Lavenders het for bloodred, amel, and stripe. But they're not for sale.

Dean, what's the value of a blopal in the market. It would be great if you could give me an estimate for price, but what about value of importance to breeders? would it catch on?

There's no way to estimate the price because I don't think any have ever been offered on the market. When they're first offered, I would expect them to be at least $1000. But by the time you produce them, they'd be much, much less expensive than that. I can't really begin to try to assess the value of them as far as importance to breeders goes. I don't know what you mean by "catch on". People would buy them, if that's what you're asking. Opals aren't my thing, but many people like them, and an opal-blood would be a desriable morph.

And I know you were talking about this in another thread, would blopal be pronounced Blow-Pull or or Blow-Pal Bloo-Pul or what in your oppinion?)

Well, "blopal" isn't a real trade name. I think it was more of a joke that Rich called them that-- kind of a riff on "snopal" (anery-amel-lavender). But if it was real, it would be pronounced "blow-pull".

 

[Susielea]

I meant Lavender-diffused sounds better than Plasma.

KJUN, is the term diffused still acceptable for corns homo for blood but not showing the bloodred colouring i.e Lavender-Bloodred, Ghost-Bloodred etc?

Thanks in advance

 

[Roy Munson]

I'm definetley making some once I get all my future breeding plans are laid out and I get another snake...

I should point out that if you plan on using that creamsicle for this project, you're going to reduce the value and demand for the target morph as well as for all byproducts. I think the demand for creamsicle-lavender-bloods is probably very low. I don't think that many people want to pay big-bucks for multi-homo hybrids. :shrugs:

 

[jazzgeek]

So then, diffused means bloodred?

Only to people that want to fix something that ain't broke.

Or to better describe the effect of the gene, especially when combined with another recessive in homozygous state.

IMO, "Lavender Blood" is something out of Star Trek; "Butter Blood" is the impact to one's circulatory system from living in Wisconsin (which, when you think about it, would do something to your <ahem> plasma as well).

"Anery Bloodred"? Let's parse this.......

....."the deep red look produced in a snake which is lacking erythrin, the pigment responsible for red coloration." :headbang:

As always, I'm a fan of irony.

regards,
jazz

 

[patm1313]

My friend Joe Cala (the guy who helped you with your Punnett squares) and I have Lavenders het for bloodred, amel, and stripe. But they're not for sale.

There's no way to estimate the price because I don't think any have ever been offered on the market. When they're first offered, I would expect them to be at least $1000. But by the time you produce them, they'd be much, much less expensive than that. I can't really begin to try to assess the value of them as far as importance to breeders goes. I don't know what you mean by "catch on". People would buy them, if that's what you're asking. Opals aren't my thing, but many people like them, and an opal-blood would be a desriable morph.

Well, "blopal" isn't a real trade name. I think it was more of a joke that Rich called them that-- kind of a riff on "snopal" (anery-amel-lavender). But if it was real, it would be pronounced "blow-pull".

Interesting. Thanks Dean.

 

[jazzgeek]

.....multi-homo hybrids. :shrugs:

Hey, take it over to the "Political Email" thread, will ya?

regards,
jazz

 

[KJUN]

KJUN, is the term diffused still acceptable for corns homo for blood but not showing the bloodred colouring i.e Lavender-Bloodred, Ghost-Bloodred etc?

I can only tell you my opinion. There is no "Committee of Acceptable Cornsnake Trade Names" except in the minds of a couple of people.....lol. I don't accept "diffuse" period. With 90% of cornsnake people, they KNOW what I mean when I say Lavender bloodred, but they have no clue what a "lavender diffuse" would be. Less than 10% of corn keepers, in all actually, have any real clue what diffuse means, but almost all of them have at least heard the term blood or bloodred.

Bloodred is the name of the mutation in my book - and not a color. The term diffuse makes people thinking we have a NEW morph; hence, that leads to more confusion - not less. If it would have been called diffuse from the start, then that would be different. Heck, it is a better description, but it a a more confusing description in TODAY'S setting. (We can't even get people to switch to m,etric here, and metrci concersion makes SENSE!) I've even seen people asking how to produce a cornsnake het for bloodred and diffuse.....lol.

"Diffuse," as far as I am personally concerned, is a term started by people that had nothing to do with the morph, but wanted to have something to point to as a "legacy." Instead of DOING something, they change a name and pretend they benefited (instead of harmed) the hobby. KJ's opinion only. :bowdown:


That's my personal opinions and a typical rant for me. I don't pretend to believe my opinion should count for anything other than, well, my opinion. I just don't like being told by one clique that THEY decide the names, OTHER names are wrong, and THEY even decide WHICH names they allow people to pick from. It chaps my behind that they feel, for some unknown reason, that they have more of a right to name a morph than the originator.

If you created a cornsnake - new morph from a WC mutation - that you called a maugarita cornsnake. How would you feel if they called your name "stupid" (actual scenario that happened with a different morph name), then tried to insist the hobby calls it something else (which happened with lots of other morphs), or stole a name from your morph that you used first because you weren't part of their specific clique (again, it happened)? You wouldn't feel happy, I bet. That's why I don't accept diffuse - it isn't the name for the mutation the hobby accepted from the first guys that named the morph.

By the way, none of the above examples involve me, so it isn't a personal vendetta on my part. If they tried to change a name of a morph I created, I'd just ignore them and not get bothered. It is the principle of the thing.

Oh, yeah...and they delete posts that ask why they even NEED to change the name of a new morph......lol.
KJ

 

[patm1313]

I should point out that if you plan on using that creamsicle for this project, you're going to reduce the value and demand for the target morph as well as for all byproducts. I think the demand for creamsicle-lavender-bloods is probably very low. I don't think that many people want to pay big-bucks for multi-homo hybrids. :shrugs:

Would it be worth just buying two more snakes that are 100% corn that can get me closer to blopals?

 

[KJUN]

"Anery Bloodred"? Let's parse this.......

People that say anerY are like people that say BBQ in stead of saying Bar-B-Que. It just doesn't make sense to me.

....."the deep red look produced in a snake which is lacking erythrin, the pigment responsible for red coloration." :headbang:

Again...bloodred was originally related to the mutation and not just a color. LOTS of bloodreds were not, well, very red in color. Nobody ever got confused. I guess people in the '80's were just smarter than people today, eh?