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Amelanistic Bloodred Lavender?

JFDery said:
But I'm surprised to hear that we only "recently" know bloodred is a pattern trait; hasn't that been the case for the last 15 years or so?
...[snip]....
I've always associated the "bloodred" name mostly to the inheritable pattern, not the color.
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Thank you. I BELIEVE the idea that people didn't know this was a pattern mutation is a myth created by some hypothetical group to make some other hypothetical group think that group #1 discovered something new. Since I first learned about the "bloodred corn" WELL over a decade ago, I was never under the impression that the mutation was anything but another pattern mutation - just like motley. I don't mean this to sound strange, but I never understood why people have recently starting saying the idea that bloodred is a pattern mutation is a NEW one.

The idea that nobody knew that back then is, well, I just guess nobody told me or the people I was buying and selling bloodreds to and from. This is a perfect case where a question was "created" (that I don't believe existed in the first place) so that an answer could be supplied. If someone figured out that bloodred was a pattern mutation a couple of years ago, then they were part of a group that didn't know it already - and I wasn't aware that group even existed.

Heck, even the Love's mentioned the dorsal and ventral traits (as in a known dorsal PATTERN MUTATION and how they were not completely linked) - in their Oct96 Reptiles article. I don't understand how years after that fact ANYONE could have finally "discovered" it to be a pattern mutation. Heck, it is EASY to discover something after someone else writes it out for you....

LOL,
KJ
 
KJUN said:
Thank you. I BELIEVE the idea that people didn't know this was a pattern mutation is a myth created by some hypothetical group to make some other hypothetical group think that group #1 discovered something new. Since I first learned about the "bloodred corn" WELL over a decade ago, I was never under the impression that the mutation was anything but another pattern mutation - just like motley. I don't mean this to sound strange, but I never understood why people have recently starting saying the idea that bloodred is a pattern mutation is a NEW one.

The idea that nobody knew that back then is, well, I just guess nobody told me or the people I was buying and selling bloodreds to and from. This is a perfect case where a question was "created" (that I don't believe existed in the first place) so that an answer could be supplied. If someone figured out that bloodred was a pattern mutation a couple of years ago, then they were part of a group that didn't know it already - and I wasn't aware that group even existed.

Heck, even the Love's mentioned the dorsal and ventral traits (as in a known dorsal PATTERN MUTATION and how they were not completely linked) - in their Oct96 Reptiles article. I don't understand how years after that fact ANYONE could have finally "discovered" it to be a pattern mutation. Heck, it is EASY to discover something after someone else writes it out for you....

LOL,
KJ
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I guess they didn't read that book! LOL!:)
 
KJUN said:
People that say anerY are like people that say BBQ in stead of saying Bar-B-Que. It just doesn't make sense to me. :)
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I know I'm late replying to this but I had to ponder it a bit and try to figure out why that little Y gets to people. You are the second person I've run into on this forum that says Aner instead of Anery. (The first person kinda got heckled a lot more for it though!)
I just thought I'd ask. This is just out of idle curiousity - not picking on you or anything, but why? (Or maybe I should say "Y"?)
What's wrong with Anery? I feel like I am missing something obvious.
 
shed'n my skin said:
I know I'm late replying to this but I had to ponder it a bit and try to figure out why that little Y gets to people. You are the second person I've run into on this forum that says Aner instead of Anery. (The first person kinda got heckled a lot more for it though!)
I just thought I'd ask. This is just out of idle curiousity - not picking on you or anything, but why? (Or maybe I should say "Y"?)
What's wrong with Anery? I feel like I am missing something obvious.
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Heh, given that the pigment is "erYthrin", and "erthrin", I'm a little confused myself.

Maybe it's the Cajun in him that forces the dropped syllable. Shoot, the natives from my hometown pronounce it "Mwa-kee". ;)

regards,
jazz
 
I used "aner" for years before I ever saw "anery" written or stated. That was back when there really wasn't anything herp related online except the herp mall (small) and Acme pets (stupid). I've since learned "anery" was a synonym for "anerythristic" by some breeders long before there was ever single cornsnake for sale on the internet! THAT is the difference to me, though. I don't use "aner" as a synonym. I use it as an abbreviation. It is just a short form of anerythristic to me. AGAIN: some people use anery as an alternative morph name for anerythristic. I don't think of aner that way. See the difference?

STOP HERE or you will begin to see how my mind works. I spend WAY too much time thinking about stuff that is not important. Proceed at your own risk. It's scary up there learning how I think!

Now, let's evaluate this a little further.....
1. Anery is 25% longer than aner. If you want a sorter name for anerythristic, why use a term that is 25% longer than what I use?
2. Amel and Aner have the same number of letters. This makes is more simple if you use alphanumeric cells in a spreadsheet. Sure, it doesn't matter as much NOW, but it did when I made my first snake spreadsheet a long, long time ago.
3. Pluralizing anery to aneries that changing one letter and adding two. Aners just takes adding one letter.
4. Get back to the database idea: AnerA and AnerB is a lot netter than trying to right "Anery" and "charcoal." To me, it is just NEATER to write AnerA and AnerB if your goal is to abbreviate Anerythristic.
5. "Amela" looks as stupid to me as "Anery" does - and it has the same number of syllables and letters. People abbreviate amelanistic as "amel," wo isn't it silly NOT to abbreviate "anerythristic" as aner?
6. Look at the number of syllables. Anerythristic has 5. Anery has 3. Aner has 2. Spoken, "anery" has 60% the number of syllables. Aner has 40%. This means, Anery is 50% longer to say than Aner. If you want an abbreviation, why use the longer one?

In conclusion, I use "aner" because it is a more logical abbreviation of "anerythristic" than "anery." The morph is "anerythristic." I have never tried to pretend "aner" is the name of a morph. It is just like saying "amel," "lav," or "mot" in my eyes. Those are abbreviated to the least number of syllables possible without being overly confusing. I don't care what others use - even if it doesn't make sense to me - but I will either abbreviate it as "aner" or write it out as "anerythristic." Anything in-between just seems illogical to me.

If you accept "anery" as the NAME of that morph, then I understand why people get upset over the use of the term "aner" if they believe it is an abbreviation of "anery." It isn't!

KJ
 
Thanks... lol I wasn't upset by it at all. It's just that's the way MY mind works, I fixate on silly little details and drive myself crazy trying to figure out the reasons behind them! AKA way too much time on my hands lately ;)
 
Just a side comment, erythrin is not a red pigment (actually not a pigment). Since there can be more than one type of pigments that are red in lower vertebrates, the proper way to call red pigments, is red pigment (disappointing, I know). I don't think Erythrin is still in use nowadays, it now seems to be called Catechin 7-O-beta-D-xylopyranoside (not my fault). Anyway, the two have the same chemical structure.
 
KJUN said:
Now, let's evaluate this a little further.....
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BTW Guys, Gals, & Neutral genders, I realize putting that much thought into WHY I use a term ONE LETTER smaller than the more common term is probably a sign of a mental disorder. I think I can live with knowing I'm not quite right in the head.....lol.:crazy01:
 
KJUN said:
STOP HERE or you will begin to see how my mind works. I spend WAY too much time thinking about stuff that is not important. Proceed at your own risk. It's scary up there learning how I think!

Now, let's evaluate this a little further.....
1. Anery is 25% longer than aner. If you want a sorter name for anerythristic, why use a term that is 25% longer than what I use?
2. Amel and Aner have the same number of letters. This makes is more simple if you use alphanumeric cells in a spreadsheet. Sure, it doesn't matter as much NOW, but it did when I made my first snake spreadsheet a long, long time ago.
3. Pluralizing anery to aneries that changing one letter and adding two. Aners just takes adding one letter.
4. Get back to the database idea: AnerA and AnerB is a lot netter than trying to right "Anery" and "charcoal." To me, it is just NEATER to write AnerA and AnerB if your goal is to abbreviate Anerythristic.
5. "Amela" looks as stupid to me as "Anery" does - and it has the same number of syllables and letters. People abbreviate amelanistic as "amel," wo isn't it silly NOT to abbreviate "anerythristic" as aner?
6. Look at the number of syllables. Anerythristic has 5. Anery has 3. Aner has 2. Spoken, "anery" has 60% the number of syllables. Aner has 40%. This means, Anery is 50% longer to say than Aner. If you want an abbreviation, why use the longer one?

In conclusion, I use "aner" because it is a more logical abbreviation of "anerythristic" than "anery." The morph is "anerythristic." I have never tried to pretend "aner" is the name of a morph. It is just like saying "amel," "lav," or "mot" in my eyes. Those are abbreviated to the least number of syllables possible without being overly confusing. I don't care what others use - even if it doesn't make sense to me - but I will either abbreviate it as "aner" or write it out as "anerythristic." Anything in-between just seems illogical to me.

If you accept "anery" as the NAME of that morph, then I understand why people get upset over the use of the term "aner" if they believe it is an abbreviation of "anery." It isn't!

KJ
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:rofl:

I should have stopped at: STOP HERE or you will begin to see how my mind works.
:laugh01:
 
JFDery said:
Come on KJ, you who like short words should know that it would be acat and not ancat ;)
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See? I don't correct someone, and I just go with the flow.......and I get corrected. This is why an anal-retentive personality just can NOT reform itself. :rofl:

JFDery said:
I should have stopped at: STOP HERE or you will begin to see how my mind works.
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I warned ye. So I did!
 
KJUN said:
This is why an anal-retentive personality just can NOT reform itself. :rofl:
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As much as I get a kick out of self-referential humor, I've always liked this one (I first saw it on a T-Shirt) the best:

"Is 'anal-retentive' really hyphenated?"

regards,
jazz
 
KJUN said:
I used "aner" for years before I ever saw "anery" written or stated. That was back when there really wasn't anything herp related online except the herp mall (small) and Acme pets (stupid). I've since learned "anery" was a synonym for "anerythristic" by some breeders long before there was ever single cornsnake for sale on the internet! THAT is the difference to me, though. I don't use "aner" as a synonym. I use it as an abbreviation. It is just a short form of anerythristic to me. AGAIN: some people use anery as an alternative morph name for anerythristic. I don't think of aner that way. See the difference?

STOP HERE or you will begin to see how my mind works. I spend WAY too much time thinking about stuff that is not important. Proceed at your own risk. It's scary up there learning how I think!

Now, let's evaluate this a little further.....
1. Anery is 25% longer than aner. If you want a sorter name for anerythristic, why use a term that is 25% longer than what I use?
2. Amel and Aner have the same number of letters. This makes is more simple if you use alphanumeric cells in a spreadsheet. Sure, it doesn't matter as much NOW, but it did when I made my first snake spreadsheet a long, long time ago.
3. Pluralizing anery to aneries that changing one letter and adding two. Aners just takes adding one letter.
4. Get back to the database idea: AnerA and AnerB is a lot netter than trying to right "Anery" and "charcoal." To me, it is just NEATER to write AnerA and AnerB if your goal is to abbreviate Anerythristic.
5. "Amela" looks as stupid to me as "Anery" does - and it has the same number of syllables and letters. People abbreviate amelanistic as "amel," wo isn't it silly NOT to abbreviate "anerythristic" as aner?
6. Look at the number of syllables. Anerythristic has 5. Anery has 3. Aner has 2. Spoken, "anery" has 60% the number of syllables. Aner has 40%. This means, Anery is 50% longer to say than Aner. If you want an abbreviation, why use the longer one?

In conclusion, I use "aner" because it is a more logical abbreviation of "anerythristic" than "anery." The morph is "anerythristic." I have never tried to pretend "aner" is the name of a morph. It is just like saying "amel," "lav," or "mot" in my eyes. Those are abbreviated to the least number of syllables possible without being overly confusing. I don't care what others use - even if it doesn't make sense to me - but I will either abbreviate it as "aner" or write it out as "anerythristic." Anything in-between just seems illogical to me.

If you accept "anery" as the NAME of that morph, then I understand why people get upset over the use of the term "aner" if they believe it is an abbreviation of "anery." It isn't!

KJ
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You have some nice points, KJ :).

I never knew that someone could put this much thought into their use of, or non-use of, a single letter.
 
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