Amelanistic Bloodred Lavender?

[patm1313]

Ok so plans:

Male = Amelanistic, Bloodred
Female = Opal

Offspring predicted as:

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1/1 Amelanistic (het. Bloodred, het. Lavender)
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Male = Amelanistic, Bloodred het. Lavender
Female = Amelanistic het. Plasma

Offspring predicted as:

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3/8 Amelanistic (het. Bloodred, 66% poss. het. Lavender)
3/8 Amelanistic, Bloodred (66% poss. het. Lavender)
1/8 Opal (het. Bloodred)
1/8 Amelanistic, Bloodred, Lavender
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Wow, this thread is getting some attention.

 

[Susielea]

I can only tell you my opinion. There is no "Committee of Acceptable Cornsnake Trade Names" except in the minds of a couple of people.....lol. I don't accept "diffuse" period. With 90% of cornsnake people, they KNOW what I mean when I say Lavender bloodred, but they have no clue what a "lavender diffuse" would be. Less than 10% of corn keepers, in all actually, have any real clue what diffuse means, but almost all of them have at least heard the term blood or bloodred.

Bloodred is the name of the mutation in my book - and not a color. The term diffuse makes people thinking we have a NEW morph; hence, that leads to more confusion - not less. If it would have been called diffuse from the start, then that would be different. Heck, it is a better description, but it a a more confusing description in TODAY'S setting. (We can't even get people to switch to m,etric here, and metrci concersion makes SENSE!) I've even seen people asking how to produce a cornsnake het for bloodred and diffuse.....lol.

"Diffuse," as far as I am personally concerned, is a term started by people that had nothing to do with the morph, but wanted to have something to point to as a "legacy." Instead of DOING something, they change a name and pretend they benefited (instead of harmed) the hobby. KJ's opinion only. :bowdown:


That's my personal opinions and a typical rant for me. I don't pretend to believe my opinion should count for anything other than, well, my opinion. I just don't like being told by one clique that THEY decide the names, OTHER names are wrong, and THEY even decide WHICH names they allow people to pick from. It chaps my behind that they feel, for some unknown reason, that they have more of a right to name a morph than the originator.

If you created a cornsnake - new morph from a WC mutation - that you called a maugarita cornsnake. How would you feel if they called your name "stupid" (actual scenario that happened with a different morph name), then tried to insist the hobby calls it something else (which happened with lots of other morphs), or stole a name from your morph that you used first because you weren't part of their specific clique (again, it happened)? You wouldn't feel happy, I bet. That's why I don't accept diffuse - it isn't the name for the mutation the hobby accepted from the first guys that named the morph.

By the way, none of the above examples involve me, so it isn't a personal vendetta on my part. If they tried to change a name of a morph I created, I'd just ignore them and not get bothered. It is the principle of the thing.

Oh, yeah...and they delete posts that ask why they even NEED to change the name of a new morph......lol.
KJ

That's quite interesting, and the reason I asked was because sometimes when talking to people over here, if you say for example "that's a nice Lavender bloodred", the comment back can be "But it's not red, how can it be bloodred?". Then you go through the whole explanation of how and it gets tedious.

So thank you for your slant on it

 

[jazzgeek]

People that say anerY are like people that say BBQ in stead of saying Bar-B-Que. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Coincidentally, people that hyphenate the word "barbeque" are like people that use "butter bloodred" to describe a snake that's yellow.

Again...bloodred was originally related to the mutation and not just a color. LOTS of bloodreds were not, well, very red in color. Nobody ever got confused. I guess people in the '80's were just smarter than people today, eh?

Gah. Don't get me started on the 80s; I have enough from Galen to goad me with that decade as it is.

Then again, how many "butter bloods" were produced in the 80s? How many "lavender bloods"?

If the genetic mutation diffuses the saddle color into the ground color, regardless of saddle and ground colors, what's the big whoop of using a descriptor that's more appropriate?

regards,
jazz

"When conditions change, I change my opinion. What do you do?" - attributed to John Kenneth Galbraith

 

[KJUN]

Coincidentally, people that hyphenate the word "barbeque" are like people that use "butter bloodred" to describe a snake that's yellow.

My spell check wants to change that to "barbecue." Is that correct? I've never seen it that way. Maybe y'all up north just don't have good food, so you have to call it "barbeque" or "barbecue" so you don't confuse it with the GOOD stuff we have down south: Bar-B-Que! I understand. I'd never eat Yankee-prepared food, either. Well, maybe if I had my emergency pack of flavors and seasonings with me.

Never travel without the Holy Trinity of the South: Onions, Bell Peppers, Celery, and Garlic. Yeah, I know there are four items there. If you don't understand, you just don't know how to cook cajun...and you don't count for much in my book. :dgrin::roflmao::-offtopic:nyah:

 

[patm1313]

My spell check wants to change that to "barbecue." Is that correct? I've never seen it that way. Maybe y'all up north just don't have good food, so you have to call it "barbeque" or "barbecue" so you don't confuse it with the GOOD stuff we have down south: Bar-B-Que! I understand. I'd never eat Yankee-prepared food, either. Well, maybe if I had my emergency pack of flavors and seasonings with me.

Never travel without the Holy Trinity of the South: Onions, Bell Peppers, Celery, and Garlic. Yeah, I know there are four items there. If you don't understand, you just don't know how to cook cajun...and you don't count for much in my book. :dgrin::roflmao::-offtopic:nyah:

I'm sorry, but how the heck did this get to southern barbeque food (which, BTW, is amazing)?

Anyway, I'm a "Yankee", and believe it or not, we have some extremeley good BBQ places up here.

 

[patm1313]

Coincidentally, people that hyphenate the word "barbeque" are like people that use "butter bloodred" to describe a snake that's yellow.

Woah, crazy idea moment... :crazy02: How about calling butter bloods ButterBread (Butter BloodRed)?

 

[KJUN]

believe it or not, we have some extremeley good BBQ places up here.

I choose not.

Back on topic........That idea of the opal blood has, as others have said, isn't new, but theyare still rare. I think part of the problem is that hypo lav bloods have a lot more color than an opal blood. Opal bloods will just LOOK to most people like another "pink snow." That doesn't mean it isn't valuable - it just means it limits the number of potential buyers willing to pay a lot of money for them to breeders and a FEW (relatively rare) collectors unless you have an out-of-country market. Hypo lavender bloods just seem more popular BECAUSE they are more colorful even though they are no harder or easier to produce.

I've got two female hypo lavenders out there that are full of eggs right now. Both of them were bred to an albino blood. The babies would be quad hets for hypo, albino, lavender, and blood....but I doubt I'll bother to even keep a baby to raise up. I've got an almost adult pair of normals het for hypo lavender bloodred, so those quad hets are just fodder for me since the opal blood is, TO ME, rather plain looking. So is a snow striped blood, but I want those. To each their own, eh? I don't make any sense.

I believe the opal bloods were HOPED to be a solid pink snake, but it seems to ones produced to date have fallen WELL short of that dream. Too bad.

Woah, crazy idea moment... :crazy02: How about calling butter bloods ButterBread (Butter BloodRed)?

Could I then call my blizzard bloods "Whitebread corns?" Nah, I'm sure that would offend some people....lol.

 

[Roy Munson]

Would it be worth just buying two more snakes that are 100% corn that can get me closer to blopals?

In my opinion, yes. But you're not going to find the "ingredients" cheap. You're probably going to have to spend hundreds of dollars...

 

[jazzgeek]

Woah, crazy idea moment... :crazy02: How about calling butter bloods ButterBread (Butter BloodRed)?

Agreed. Crazy. :sidestep:

regards,
jazz

 

[Tom Tuttle]

I can only tell you my opinion. There is no "Committee of Acceptable Cornsnake Trade Names" except in the minds of a couple of people.....lol. I don't accept "diffuse" period. With 90% of cornsnake people, they KNOW what I mean when I say Lavender bloodred, but they have no clue what a "lavender diffuse" would be. Less than 10% of corn keepers, in all actually, have any real clue what diffuse means, but almost all of them have at least heard the term blood or bloodred.

Bloodred is the name of the mutation in my book - and not a color. The term diffuse makes people thinking we have a NEW morph; hence, that leads to more confusion - not less. If it would have been called diffuse from the start, then that would be different. Heck, it is a better description, but it a a more confusing description in TODAY'S setting. (We can't even get people to switch to m,etric here, and metrci concersion makes SENSE!) I've even seen people asking how to produce a cornsnake het for bloodred and diffuse.....lol.

"Diffuse," as far as I am personally concerned, is a term started by people that had nothing to do with the morph, but wanted to have something to point to as a "legacy." Instead of DOING something, they change a name and pretend they benefited (instead of harmed) the hobby. KJ's opinion only. :bowdown:


That's my personal opinions and a typical rant for me. I don't pretend to believe my opinion should count for anything other than, well, my opinion. I just don't like being told by one clique that THEY decide the names, OTHER names are wrong, and THEY even decide WHICH names they allow people to pick from. It chaps my behind that they feel, for some unknown reason, that they have more of a right to name a morph than the originator.

If you created a cornsnake - new morph from a WC mutation - that you called a maugarita cornsnake. How would you feel if they called your name "stupid" (actual scenario that happened with a different morph name), then tried to insist the hobby calls it something else (which happened with lots of other morphs), or stole a name from your morph that you used first because you weren't part of their specific clique (again, it happened)? You wouldn't feel happy, I bet. That's why I don't accept diffuse - it isn't the name for the mutation the hobby accepted from the first guys that named the morph.

By the way, none of the above examples involve me, so it isn't a personal vendetta on my part. If they tried to change a name of a morph I created, I'd just ignore them and not get bothered. It is the principle of the thing.

Oh, yeah...and they delete posts that ask why they even NEED to change the name of a new morph......lol.
KJ

I'm with you on this one! The best part is most of them weren't even working in the hobby in the 80's! It's funny I've never met any of them at the shows that I vended at in the very early 80's. I Yet they feel compelled to imply their will upon us! It's nice to see that the clique has moved on.
Most of us know where to visit them.

 

[jazzgeek]

My spell check wants to change that to "barbecue." Is that correct? I've never seen it that way. Maybe y'all up north just don't have good food, so you have to call it "barbeque" or "barbecue" so you don't confuse it with the GOOD stuff we have down south: Bar-B-Que! I understand. I'd never eat Yankee-prepared food, either. Well, maybe if I had my emergency pack of flavors and seasonings with me.

dictionary.com has it as "barbeque", with "barbecue" as an alternate. :shrugs:

And to a "suhthinuh", anything above the Mason-Dixon line is a "yankee"; we in the midwest use that for the anyone north or east of Pennsylvania. :grin01:

Never travel without the Holy Trinity of the South: Onions, Bell Peppers, Celery, and Garlic. Yeah, I know there are four items there. If you don't understand, you just don't know how to cook cajun...and you don't count for much in my book. :dgrin::roflmao::-offtopic:nyah:

I can make a roux without needing to look it up; red beans and rice are a staple at Casa Jazzgeek; can you say the same for sauerbraten? :nyah:

Okra, however, does and will always befuddle me. It's like gnawing on cane without the benefits of sugar.

regards,
jazz

 

[KJUN]

And to a "suhthinuh", anything above the Mason-Dixon line is a "yankee"; we in the midwest use that for the anyone north or east of Pennsylvania. :grin01:

We prefer "southron," and anything north of "Old 90" is a Yank to me.

Okra, however, does and will always befuddle me. It's like gnawing on cane without the benefits of sugar.

You just picking them too old!
KJ

 

[KJUN]

I'm with you on this one! The best part is most of them weren't even working in the hobby in the 80's! It's funny I've never met any of them at the shows that I vended at in the very early 80's. I Yet they feel compelled to imply their will upon us! It's nice to see that the clique has moved on.
Most of us know where to visit them.

I made that comment once, and I was called "arrogant," "condescending," and "antagonistic towards other members" because it was "irrelevant that I managed to stay in one hobby for longer than them." I can't say I disagree with the first two terms, but the other two were just plain not deserved!

 

[patm1313]

Could I then call my blizzard bloods "Whitebread corns?" Nah, I'm sure that would offend some people....lol.

Well, I don't see why not. I dare you name one "Wonder". Lol. "Well wonder here is a whitebread corn..."

 

[patm1313]

I'm so proud of my butterbread comment that it is worthy of my sig!

 

[KJUN]

I'm so proud of my butterbread comment that it is worthy of my sig!

I thought I had a bad sense of humor.

BTW, my reference to offending some people is "whitebread" has been used as a slang term for Americans of European descent. I prefer being called "popcorn," but "whitebread" would still make me giggle.
KJ

 

[patm1313]

dictionary.com has it as "barbeque", with "barbecue" as an alternate. :shrugs:

And to a "suhthinuh", anything above the Mason-Dixon line is a "yankee"; we in the midwest use that for the anyone north or east of Pennsylvania. :grin01:

I can make a roux without needing to look it up; red beans and rice are a staple at Casa Jazzgeek; can you say the same for sauerbraten? :nyah:

Okra, however, does and will always befuddle me. It's like gnawing on cane without the benefits of sugar.

regards,
jazz

I thought I had a bad sense of humor.

BTW, my reference to offending some people is "whitebread" has been used as a slang term for Americans of European descent. I prefer being called "popcorn," but "whitebread" would still make me giggle.
KJ

Racism stinks, because almost any nickname that has anything to do with color could be offensive. I wouldn't sell the snakes under the name "Whitebread" but if you wanted to use it to joke around, then it's all good.

 

[Joejr14]

I'm so proud of my butterbread comment that it is worthy of my sig!

It is? Butter bread makes no sense to me. Butter bloods already have a trade name, and that is sulfur. The idea of trade names is to not incorporate the actual parts into the name....

I.e: Anery Bloodreds = Granite
Amel Bloods = Fire
Butter Blood= Sulfur
Charcoal Amel= Blizzard

Get the idea? Plus trade names are created to prevent someone from having to say Amelanistic Lavender Bloodred Stripe, so they're supposed to be shorter than the drawn out name. Butter Blood is the same as Butter Bread, is it not?

 

[Rich Z]

I believe the opal bloods were HOPED to be a solid pink snake, but it seems to ones produced to date have fallen WELL short of that dream. Too bad.

It appears that the several I am growing up are going to be quite variable. So at this point I believe trying to think of a descriptive name would be very premature. Especially when fully mature adults haven't even been seen yet.

I just hope it doesn't turn out like the Hypo Lavenders. There are so many variations on that theme that trying to come up with a trade name that would cover all of them is pretty much an exercise in futility. I believe the various offshoots, however, will eventually develop their own trade names as it becomes appropriate.

And yes, "Blopal" was just a joke.......... :rofl:

 

[patm1313]

And yes, "Blopal" was just a joke.......... :rofl:

I'm still going to use it, :rofl:. It might never catch on in the business, but it still makes me happy .