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"Angry White Man"

I just have a kinda funny story to lighten up this thread.
As many of you know, I grew up in Guatemala (But I was born in the U.S so I'm legal lol) and I am bilingual. English is my first language but I also speak Spanish. So one day I was calling to try and get a quote for insurance. I was on hold for quite a while, got tired of it, hung up and dialed again. This time when I heard "Para espanol oprima el numero uno" I pressed 1.
Service was within a couple of minutes. The amusing thing was the person helping me was not a native Spanish speaker, he was an American kid who had taken Spanish in school. (Smart guy) It was kinda funny, here's these two people who speak Spanish as a second language having a conversation with a lot of umms and ers, but we did it... I got my insurance quote, thanked the guy very sweetly in English and we both had a good laugh about it.
FWIW Nothing racist really offends me quite as much as the "If you don't like it, leave!" mentality. I'd rather stick around and vote.
 
shed'n my skin said:
FWIW Nothing racist really offends me quite as much as the "If you don't like it, leave!" mentality. I'd rather stick around and vote.
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While I find it to be more cultural than racist, I agree.

AND I find it ironic, given that the US is a nation of immigrants. ("If YOU don't like the King's Religion, you can LEAVE!!") Unless you're a Native American, you're descended from immigrants here, including the all Angry White Men.

I'll agree to the illegal aspect; if you're here illegally, BUH-BYE. But if your angry at the LEGAL immigrants because "you were here first", tough. Learn to compete in the marketplace.

regards,
jazz
 
Joejr14 said:
Do you understand the concept of a metaphor? Apparently not.

This article is not literally about an 'angry white man'. The article is NOT talking about a WHITE MAN. Why is that so hard to understand? Did you miss this whole section:

But twist the article so you can make it fit your views so you can call it racist---that's fine.
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His background might be Italian, English, Polish, German, Slavic, Irish, or Russian, and he might have Cherokee, Mexican, or Puerto Rican mixed in, but he considers himself a white American.
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You notice how Italians, English, Poles, Germans, Slavs and the Irish are all white? And how Cherokee, Mexican or Puerto Rican is 'mixed in', not pure? He's talking, literally, about white males. Name one pure non-white race in all the examples he gave. Just one.

But hey, it's not racist! Because the only whites in the world are American, right?
 
jazzgeek said:
I'll agree to the illegal aspect; if you're here illegally, BUH-BYE.
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That's pretty disrespectful and mean. People come to America to find a better life, and for a job to support their family (which they usually don't find), they don't come here for a vacation and then just stay because the country is prettier (which it isn't). I wish some people could understand that, but they're just too ignorant to step into someone else's shoes and understand how they feel.
If YOU, let's say, had a dying family member and a child, and you COULDN'T get a job because there wasn't any and they wouldn't let you because you are a single parent, would you come to America to try to pay the bills for the family member whos dying and give your child a better life with a good school, or would you stay in that country, see that person die, and give your child a horrible, sad, life? Only you can answer that.
 
Well, there are people here in America who fit that bill, legal American citizens in fact. People born here with no insurance, no education, no real future. Where are they going to go? I'm not saying you don't have a point, but it's not only people from other countries that have it badly. America may be great, but we have our problems, too.
 
dionythicus said:
Well, there are people here in America who fit that bill, legal American citizens in fact. People born here with no insurance, no education, no real future. Where are they going to go? I'm not saying you don't have a point, but it's not only people from other countries that have it badly. America may be great, but we have our problems, too.
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Yes, I'm sure there are, people like that are everywhere. But at the moment I'm strictly talking about the immigrants in America, and how some people here are making it hell for people just trying to live a normal life, for once.
 
SnakesRule1234 said:
That's pretty disrespectful and mean. People come to America to find a better life,
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As did my Great-great-grandparents on my father's side, and my Great-great-great-great-grandparents on my mother's side. They came here - legally - to find a better life. What's your point?


and for a job to support their family (which they usually don't find), they don't come here for a vacation and then just stay because the country is prettier (which it isn't).
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Any evidence to prove that they "usually don't find" a job to support their family? If you have some, you may want to share it with your example "people"; it would save them the frustration and disappointment of taking all the time and resources they've used in vain in attempting to cross the border.

As for your opinion regarding the subjective beauty of one's homeland versus the United States, it's just that.....subjective.

I wish some people could understand that, but they're just too ignorant to step into someone else's shoes and understand how they feel.
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"Ignorant" has to do with knowledge or understanding - the lack thereof, of course. "To step into someone's shoes and understand" is an act of empathy.

So, are you REALLY claiming that I'm too dumb to be empathetic? Puh-leeze.


If YOU, let's say, had a dying family member and a child, and you COULDN'T get a job because there wasn't any and they wouldn't let you because you are a single parent, would you come to America to try to pay the bills for the family member whos dying and give your child a better life with a good school, or would you stay in that country, see that person die, and give your child a horrible, sad, life? Only you can answer that.
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I'd normally dismiss this straw-man argument out of hand, but I'll continue with this analogy, weak as it is.

I'll ask you, in turn, to consider this:

If YOU, let's say, had a dying family member and a child, and you LOST your job because the job you had was taken from you by someone who illegally entered this country and worked for less, would you be pleased that you can't pay the bills for the family member whos dying and give your child a better life with a good school, or would you not care about your livelihood and see that person die, and give your child a horrible, sad, life? Only you can answer that.

(See what I did, or are you just too ignorant to step in to that person's shoes?)

The addition of the dying family member and child, while dramatic, have nothing to do with the legality aspect of the argument.

Dismissed.

regards,
jazz
 
Jazz, you make me proud to be an American. You just beat up a 13 year old who had the guts to stand up and make a good point. Did I mention that I think you're an ASS.
 
wade said:
Jazz, you make me proud to be an American. You just beat up a 13 year old who had the guts to stand up and make a good point.
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  1. It doesn't take courage to try to make a point. It just takes an opinion.
  2. Your opinion is that it was a good point. My opinion was that it was an emotional point, and not well-reasoned.
  3. What does age (other than experience) have to do with it?
Did I mention that I think you're an ASS.
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Did I mention that your ASSessment of me is something of which I don't care one whit?

I responded to SnakesRule1234's argument; I didn't make it personal. You make me proud to be an American who can discern this.

regards,
jazz
 
How do I always miss the fun threads until they are 50+ post?

For the record, I am an angry, white man for my own reasons.
 
I was going to chime in on why I'm an angry white male...but it really comes down to these simple facts...I'm tired and cut one of my fingernails too short and now it hurts :cheers:

Regards,
Steve
 
shed'n my skin said:
FWIW Nothing racist really offends me quite as much as the "If you don't like it, leave!" mentality. I'd rather stick around and vote.
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Yeah that was me. but as Jazz puts it...it was an "emotional point, and not well-reasoned".
But my mentality on this is that I put god first then country. Nothing racist about it. And I too voted.. but Bush is what we got. :shrugs:
just kick in in the *** for being an average joe I guess.

Enjoy folks.
 
Official warning: no more profanity.

If I don't give this warning, I'll have boys and girls across the globe whining to me about justice and my lack of impartiality. So please just cut it out.
 
Lennycorn said:
Yeah that was me. but as Jazz puts it...it was an "emotional point, and not well-reasoned".
But my mentality on this is that I put god first then country. Nothing racist about it. And I too voted.. but Bush is what we got. :shrugs:
just kick in in the *** for being an average joe I guess.

Enjoy folks.
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I'm not mad about that. It bugged me a little but I figured it was just your way of putting what you felt across. I know where you were coming from.
This is or at least was a good debate so far.
 
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