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[diamondlil]

Insurance sounds like excellent idea, especially if it covers the breeding problems too

 

[CornCrazy]

I am very sorry for your loss.

I wanted to post another view regarding payments at the vet's office. I have been employed at a vet's for quite a few years. We used to take payments, but were burned time and time again. We do not take payments anymore. Unfortunately, dishonest people were the cause...not greedy vets. Did they recommend that you apply for CareCredit? It's a way to finance unexpected vet services. Here is a link to the site: http://www.carecredit.com/

 

[Tula_Montage]

Aww hun im devistated for you!!!
what was it that caused her death?

How old was she?

Agin im sooo sorry!

 

[TandJ]

Uh Elle, was the picture not enough to figure out the cause? The critter prolapsed, sometimes happens with the females when they are dropping their eggs..

Regards.. Tim of T and J

 

[sleepingdahlia]

I'm so sorry, my condolences for your loss.

 

[Tula_Montage]

Uh Elle, was the picture not enough to figure out the cause? The critter prolapsed, sometimes happens with the females when they are dropping their eggs..

Regards.. Tim of T and J

Im sorry but i have never seen anything like that as i dont and probably wont breed snakes...

i remember her saying it was something to do with prolapse but what i meant to ask was what causes this... is it just something that happens when laying?

Im so very sorry for your loss...

 

[TandJ]

While pushing hard to get the eggs out, sometimes the binds, and the animal keeps pushing the egg which cause the insides to come outside inverted.Not very good for the critter at all.

Regards..

 

[Noe..gr]

Oh too bad..my condolences.Best wishes for the eggs.!

 

[Tula_Montage]

While pushing hard to get the eggs out, sometimes the binds, and the animal keeps pushing the egg which cause the insides to come outside inverted.Not very good for the critter at all.

Regards..

No i highly doubt it would be, as we have clearly seen in this case...
well i hope not many others will prolapse during this years breeding season, poor poor critter

 

[isobel]

i am so sorry about your loss nightmare
good luck with the eggs!!!!

Isobel

 

[carol]

as for this, it wasnt my nest box, she managed to get 20 eggs out!!!!!
the reason she prolapsed was becuase snakes aggs are strung toghtehr like sausages are, the last egg wasnt connected to all the other ones, so it got left behing, right it the top of her body, once she manged to get it down, it got behind her gut, when she kept trying to push it she prolapsed

If this is something your vet told you, I'd continue to look for a new vet. Sometimes the eggs are linked together and sometimes they are not. An egg coming loose from a bunch of linked eggs would not be the only cause of egg binding.
I'm not trying to be mean, I am trying to save you from having trouble in the future. Sure, insurance can help, but the best medicine is to not get into this situation again. If I were a mean person, I wouldn't say anything when I noticed your set up was less than desireable. I'd just sit back and enjoy the ensuing problems.
I don't understand why you would not do the best you could to make sure your pet has the best environment you could possibly provide.Especially when the adjustments to be made are easy and inexpensive. Or maybe you trust your own opinion over someone who has been doing this for years and seen the good, the bad and the ugly.
You can drive drunk for 20 times and not get into an accident. Does this mean that if you get into an accident at # 21 the drinking isn't to blame? Just because she did safely lay 20 eggs does not mean the lay box was sufficient, it means she was a trooper. You have now removed pics that showed your snake laying at least one egg on aspen while she was cruising her tank. Obviously this egg was not attached like a sausage to the others, and that egg did not cause binding.
When they are happy with their box, they usually don't come out of it for days before, during, and for days after they lay. The definitely don't come out while they are laying, like your female did. When they are unhappy with their nest, they will hold on to their eggs for a dangerously long time, drastically increasing their chances of egg binding. I understand if you don't want to take my opinion alone. Since you know how to use the poll feature, why don't you post a poll for the experienced breeders to vote whether or not they think your nest box is a good idea for your next breeder female.
I sincerely wish you luck with your eggs.

 

[your_only_nightmare]

the reason she layed it on her aspen, was becuase i wasnt to sure if the was gonna lay, she was going in to her hide, which i turned into her nesting area. i took the flower pot off, and she came out, she went straught back in when i out it back, but befor she got fully in she decided to lay, the eggs was actully attached but becuase of the posityion she was in i took it, becuase otherwise she would of not got in with it dangling off her.

and she was 3 years old, or just abit older, not to sure on her age, but this egg did get stuck like, close to her neck, they must of taken up allot of her body, it was her first clutch, and i fdont think she would of had the energy to push it out, she seemed to worn out, when i picked her up to get her off the eggs, she felt so limp.

but what the vet tiold me my dads friends, friend specialises in snakes, he told me the exact same thing for why it didnt come out

 

[your_only_nightmare]

wouldn't say anything when I noticed your set up was less than desireable.

and what to you mean by this, her viv or the nets box?

and as fo the eggs iv only lost one, and i knew id loose ot from the start becuase it didnt look good, other wise they are still smooth round and no denting!!!

 

[Tula_Montage]

If this is something your vet told you, I'd continue to look for a new vet. Sometimes the eggs are linked together and sometimes they are not. An egg coming loose from a bunch of linked eggs would not be the only cause of egg binding.
I'm not trying to be mean, I am trying to save you from having trouble in the future. Sure, insurance can help, but the best medicine is to not get into this situation again. If I were a mean person, I wouldn't say anything when I noticed your set up was less than desireable. I'd just sit back and enjoy the ensuing problems.
I don't understand why you would not do the best you could to make sure your pet has the best environment you could possibly provide.Especially when the adjustments to be made are easy and inexpensive. Or maybe you trust your own opinion over someone who has been doing this for years and seen the good, the bad and the ugly.
You can drive drunk for 20 times and not get into an accident. Does this mean that if you get into an accident at # 21 the drinking isn't to blame? Just because she did safely lay 20 eggs does not mean the lay box was sufficient, it means she was a trooper. You have now removed pics that showed your snake laying at least one egg on aspen while she was cruising her tank. Obviously this egg was not attached like a sausage to the others, and that egg did not cause binding.
When they are happy with their box, they usually don't come out of it for days before, during, and for days after they lay. The definitely don't come out while they are laying, like your female did. When they are unhappy with their nest, they will hold on to their eggs for a dangerously long time, drastically increasing their chances of egg binding. I understand if you don't want to take my opinion alone. Since you know how to use the poll feature, why don't you post a poll for the experienced breeders to vote whether or not they think your nest box is a good idea for your next breeder female.
I sincerely wish you luck with your eggs.

Although this may be true, im sure its the last thing she wants to hear. Her beloved pet has just been put to sleep, and i think this was the wrong time to bring up her inadiquate nest box...

I did not see it, i have never bread snakes, i dont plan to, but really, the girl is still extremely upset. This could have waited till later.

From what i read, it sounds like your blaming her for the death of snake.

I just thought it was a little unreasonable

Sorry if i have offended you in any way carol as im sure you have much experience in the matter, but you have to understand where im coming from.

Nightmare may have no experience, but hopefully she has learned from this terible incident. I also think your comment would have been better in a private message rather than (in a way) humiliating her for others to read.

Her mistake maybe, but not the time or place in my opinion.

 

[your_only_nightmare]

i have learnt form my experiance, i did not intend to brreed, noe thast i think about it, i think she came to me gravid..... i will breed again, this time i will do more reading, but i onlu had a month to read up on everything.

oh, and i dont know what nest box you were looking at but when i put pics, there was a green box, i got rid of that, if you were looking at the dish she was sitting in, i eneded up putting a box over her, sionce i couldnt put the box over her, there was nothin i could do, the box was moist, not to moist and she spent her time in there, she had a choice of it on the warm and cool side she choose this...

 

[CARattler40]

but this egg did get stuck like, close to her neck, they must of taken up allot of her body

Did I read that right? How does an egg get all the way up to the neck area? Sounds...impossible.

 

[Roy Munson]

Although this may be true, im sure its the last thing she wants to hear. Her beloved pet has just been put to sleep, and i think this was the wrong time to bring up her inadiquate nest box...

I did not see it, i have never bread snakes, i dont plan to, but really, the girl is still extremely upset. This could have waited till later.

She bred snakes by mistake due to cohabitation. She refused to research anything on her own before the eggs were due, but relied on everyone else to do her homework for her. I feel very bad that her snake died, but I don't think Carol should have had to wait until some time that you think would have been better to address this. Was she supposed to put it on her calendar? I think this was the perfect place and time to address this. I hope inexperienced keepers see the prolapse photo, and read Carol's comments too.

From what i read, it sounds like your blaming her for the death of snake.

I just thought it was a little unreasonable

I personally don't think that Carol needs to change her posting to accommodate what you think is reasonable or not.

I also think your comment would have been better in a private message rather than (in a way) humiliating her for others to read.

Oh c'mon, Elle. No one humiliated anyone here. A private message would not have helped those who may have been seeking education in this thread.

 

[your_only_nightmare]

ok for your information, i sat at school everyday do my reading in stead of my school work, i bought kathy love hand book AS SOON AS I COULD. the snake was gravid when i got her, i had no choice but to cohab when i got them becuase i boght them toghther. and i didnt rely on everyone else. ok yes i did a bit, but i wasnt expecting eggs, im currently doing my GCSEs at the moment, my most imporatnt exams.... so if you really think this was easy for me think again!


and yeah yu rwead that bit right, i didnt mean by her neck but becauase there were 21 they were quite high up

 

[Tula_Montage]

She bred snakes by mistake due to cohabitation. She refused to research anything on her own before the eggs were due, but relied on everyone else to do her homework for her. I feel very bad that her snake died, but I don't think Carol should have had to wait until some time that you think would have been better to address this. Was she supposed to put it on her calendar? I think this was the perfect place and time to address this. I hope inexperienced keepers see the prolapse photo, and read Carol's comments too.


I personally don't think that Carol needs to change her posting to accommodate what you think is reasonable or not.

Oh c'mon, Elle. No one humiliated anyone here. A private message would not have helped those who may have been seeking education in this thread.

Now that you put it that way i take back a bit of what i said.
However i do feel that it really wasnt what she needed at the moment

Yes it will stop her from making stupid mistakes in the future and deter any amature breeders here i do agree 100% on that.

The issues did need addressing i also agree with that too.

To me, the comment just didnt seem fair, but then life is never fair.

Although if she bought her female gravid, then co-hab wasnt an issue?

Nightmare, why didnt you ask and find out about the snakes history before purchasing her!! Was she not obviously gravid? or did someone neglect to inform you on purpose to get rid of the snake?

 

[Tula_Montage]

ok for your information, i sat at school everyday do my reading in stead of my school work, i bought kathy love hand book AS SOON AS I COULD. the snake was gravid when i got her, i had no choice but to cohab when i got them becuase i boght them toghther. and i didnt rely on everyone else. ok yes i did a bit, but i wasnt expecting eggs, im currently doing my GCSEs at the moment, my most imporatnt exams.... so if you really think this was easy for me think again!


and yeah yu rwead that bit right, i didnt mean by her neck but becauase there were 21 they were quite high up

You really dont need to justify yourself like this btw...
You did your best, it was unfortunate yes, but really you got the snake gravid!!??