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Bioactive substrate (BAS) Natural viv - a why and “how-to” guide.

If your snake wraps around plants, maybe you need a larger bare area in the front or middle of the viv. Then you can coax him into that area when you want to pick him up, where it will be more difficult for him to grab onto something, and easier for you to unwrap him if he still manages to grab something.
 
Hehe. I can picture myself now coaxing Chopper. He isn't the tamest of kings. :grin01:

At any rate, looking at my frogs vivs and how much work it is to keep them looking nice long term... I think I'll stick with simpler snake vivs.

Kudos to people who want to tackle it though, they do look nice!
 
wax32 said:
Hehe. I can picture myself now coaxing Chopper. He isn't the tamest of kings. :grin01:

At any rate, looking at my frogs vivs and how much work it is to keep them looking nice long term... I think I'll stick with simpler snake vivs.

Kudos to people who want to tackle it though, they do look nice!


Actually, I find it's no more or less work than a "regular" snake setup, just different work.

Also, it's worth it because it enhances the snakes experiences and coaxes a much wider range of behaviours. It also greatly adds to my enjoyment during observing and such.
 
kathylove said:
If your snake wraps around plants, maybe you need a larger bare area in the front or middle of the viv. Then you can coax him into that area when you want to pick him up, where it will be more difficult for him to grab onto something, and easier for you to unwrap him if he still manages to grab something.


Ha! Coaxing Jo is not an option unless food is involved but I can CHASE her inot the bare area.

You're right Kathy, an open area is needed. This is where design considerations and then refinements come in. I had to move plants around but I've gotten it to a point where I can "peel" Jo off of plants and structurs without too much disturbance. I find that part really amusing actuallly. She runs away and I gotta chase her. I made many places for her to "get away" from me so this is a challenge but it's fun and keeps Jo on her toes so-to-speak. ; )
 
The two types of vivs you guys have set up are slightly different I think. The dart frog vivs have a slightly more complicated drainage and substrate set up and have many more plants. Wax32, if you are using vines then trimming them as a big part of the work, right?

Tracy, I'm assuming you haven't kept the type of terrarium geared towards frogs that Wax and I are talking about, right? I think the terrarium you have made for your one snake may be great for snakes, while the one I am going to construct, and Wax32 already has, takes a little more work.

All IMHO. I think the cage types each have their own advantages, but the one described in this thread might be pretty good for corns, while not so good for frogs, although it wouldn't be horrible. I'll post pictures of my terrarium for dart frogs whenever we actually get the stuff to set it up. It's supposed to be this week, but I have a feeling that's not going to happen....
 
tbtusk said:
The two types of vivs you guys have set up are slightly different I think. The dart frog vivs have a slightly more complicated drainage and substrate set up and have many more plants. Wax32, if you are using vines then trimming them as a big part of the work, right?

Tracy, I'm assuming you haven't kept the type of terrarium geared towards frogs that Wax and I are talking about, right? I think the terrarium you have made for your one snake may be great for snakes, while the one I am going to construct, and Wax32 already has, takes a little more work.

All IMHO. I think the cage types each have their own advantages, but the one described in this thread might be pretty good for corns, while not so good for frogs, although it wouldn't be horrible. I'll post pictures of my terrarium for dart frogs whenever we actually get the stuff to set it up. It's supposed to be this week, but I have a feeling that's not going to happen....


Yes, actually the set up for corns is rather simple to maintain. There's no complicated drainage, etc. I water plants and turn soil once a week. The frog thing is probably more complicated.

Can hardly wait to see your pictures
 
I'm going to make this type of setup for my amazon. I think he'll love having all the natural stuff and he's so colorful he should make an awesome display snake.
 
Yup most of the work with my frog vivs is trimming plants and cleaning lots of frog poo off of the glass.
 
Here are a couple of mine:

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Wax32, great little terrariums! I want to include some large-leafed vines in mine but always get discoraged by the fact that it takes so much trimming.

I will be getting the stuff for mine this weekend. Woo-Hoo!!

Thanks for the thread Tracy. I may just have to try this. I'm planning some 'racks' of sorts that will be more like a bunch of stacked cages for my adults. Maybe I can set these up in there. We'll see, but I think I may have to stick with the simple cages.
 
I got into aquascaping (fish tank "landscaping") last year, and I've got to say that this thread has been a fascinating read. Definitely something I'd like to do (after I've re-scaped my 20G hexagonal trop tank, which keeps getting put off >_>).

A few additional design suggestions that are key in aquascapes, which I think could be applied here:

- Don't make the substrate in a level line from front to back: have a gradual slope of all of the substrate from front to back (front slightly lower, back slightly higher, and the hills and valleys on top/carved into). This allows you to see more of the interesting terrain features and creates a sense of depth when looking at the viv from straight on. (Sloping the sides up can also be used to great effect.) Here's a super-quickie visualization of what I mean:
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- also, overlapping objects creates depth. Putting a branch in front of or behind a hill, for example, gives the impression that the tank is deeper (front to back or side to side) than it actually is.

- not sure if this was mentioned: the golden rectangle/ratio. 1:1.618. Imagine a line splitting the viv from top to bottom based on that ratio, and put a focal point (something interesting to draw the eye--a plant, a branch, a rock, something) on it. It's one of those wonderful artsy things that makes the human eye happy.

- HAVE ONE MAIN FOCAL POINT! Multiple focal points/points of interest are great, and move the viewer's eye around the viv (a very good thing!), but make sure that there's a single one--on the golden ratio line--that stands out a bit and gives the eye a place to "rest."

- on a similar note, Tracy mentioned 3's being very good, and they certainly are. Try to have 3 focal points in the viv (with one being dominant over the other 2, of course).

Here are some aquascape layouts I did not too long ago (no photos yet, lol). The first set of images were for a "barely brackish" balloon molly setup (so plants were chosen accordingly, though there were a couple that I was testing). The gray dotted line marks the golden ratio. In this case, I used negative space to create the main focal point; the other focuses are created by groups of blyxa.
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The above image is the "hardscape"--everything but the plants. Here, I put the lowest back level about 4.5" higher than the front, and hills/mounds toward the back corners, creating a clear valley in the front/center of the tank.

And this was for a mostly bare-bottom goldfish setup, with the plants being in rectangular glass vases along the back wall. Here, there's a big anubias as the main focal point, with a smaller anubias to the right and a stand of vallisneria to the back left as other focuses. No hardscape here, since I was just packing the vases with plants.
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I highly recommend checking out some aquascaping resources if you're interested in BASing your viv. The Planted Tank Forums have a spectacular "Photo Album" section with detailed photographic journals of people's setups, and there are some real pros there. You also might check out the work of Amano Takashi (as in Amano Shrimp and ADA (Aqua Design Amano) Supplies).

I also came across this site a while back. It's mostly geared towards frog vivs, but I've found it to be a fantastic source of inspiration.
 
o i didn't know that. anyone have any success stories with this? it seems very nice setup and i think i'm going to attempt it.

I've been using a BAS for quite a while now in a couple of vivs. It's really quite awesome! I haven't actually done a full substrate change in over 6 months. I've just spot-cleaned and "raked" the substrate around the plants to aerate it.

If you really want a great how-to guide, check out The Art of Keeping Snakes. It's a fantastic book that I would highly recommend to anyone looking into planted vivariums.
 
I got the book on my phone so I will have to start reading it. Thank you for the info. I am wanting to start this soon but don't want to rush into it and mess anything up...
 
I've been using a BAS for quite a while now in a couple of vivs. It's really quite awesome! I haven't actually done a full substrate change in over 6 months. I've just spot-cleaned and "raked" the substrate around the plants to aerate it.

If you really want a great how-to guide, check out The Art of Keeping Snakes. It's a fantastic book that I would highly recommend to anyone looking into planted vivariums.

Can I ask what "cleaning crew" organisms did you add, & did you collect them from the wild or order them from a supplier? With my gecko tanks I added some isopods & a few millepedes from our yard. I never see them but the tanks never smell bad so I'm guessing they are still there doing their job! :)
 
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