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Bought TONS of new things! Including another corn!
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TripleMoonsExotic
I <3 Stripes!
See ya. :rofl:
No one is going to beg you to stay and learn.
No one is going to argue with your fathers know-it-all attitude.
It's just not worth it.
If you want to learn, read the FAQs to start (and cut the drama).
• Husbandry and Basic Care
• Health Issues/Feeding Problems
• Genetics/Morphs
susang
New member
You're still here, but that's OK where's your Dad. I'ld llike to talk to him. Any pictures yet and Oh! ya how were they sexed????
SnakeNewbie
I love Zoey and Cutter!!!
they werent I told ya that Im just calling them a boy and a girl but ill get them sexed when they are old enough cause i dont want them hurt. oh and i got a heat lamp and it is really really good!
jhammer
New member
If you can't get a bigger viv, at least buy a small critter cage with a heat light to temporarily house one of them. But as everyone said, the bottom line is, "two snakes, two houses." Eventually, one will kill the other, and the other one might not make it from the battle injuries. Look at it this way, two snakes with two houses is better than no snakes and an empty house!
Maize411
Hooked for life!!
Oh my god!! What is soo hard about going to wal mart and buying a plastic tub or one of those critter keeper tubs from the pet section? It would only cost you like 10.00 and then your problem would be solved for the time being..I say to you and your father...stop being so stubborn and think of the snake's well being! I would just say for now..buy the kathy love book, get a critter keeper tub from wal-mart for like 10.00, get some reliable thermometers with probes so you can tell the temp on the warm end of the tank and tub and feed them each one pinkie every 5 to 6 days..follow this info for now...It's not that hard.....really.....it's NOT
Susan
Go Ahead, Make My Day!
SnakeNewbie, I haven't read all of your threads, but I know susang well enough to trust her judgement. It is quite obvious that you're being impulsive and not listening to the good advice being given to you. Yes, many of the members here can be quite harsh with their comments, but we are all very passionate about our snakes and only want what is best for them.
Your Dad needs to be told that this site is the LEADING source of information concerning corn snakes and their care. It's owner is one of the "BIG 3" in corn snakes. Rich Zuchowski of SerpenCo, Kathy Love of Cornutopia and Don Soderberg of South Mountain Reptiles are the leading breeders of corn snakes. Kathy and Don have actually written the books on proper corn snake care. All three are active members of this site and we have all learned from them and are still learning.
Cohabitation has been performed successfully by quite a few breeders...until something goes wrong. For as many people that say they have never had a problem cohabing corn snakes, there are just as many that used to cohab but stopped after something bad happened. At this point, you can simply split your tank in half as a 10 gallon tank is more than ample space for hatchling corns. That will give you time to get a second tank for your second corn.
And please, rethink the heat lamp. I have no idea why you changed from an UTH to a heat lamp. Heat lamps cannot be regulated and can give off too much heat, literally cooking your snakes. Corn snakes do not bask. They naturally obtain their heat from underneath. And if you then decide to get a hot rock instead, you should never own a pet of any kind and be brought up on charges of animal cruelty.
At 13, you needed your parents permission to become a member of this site (unless Rich changed the rules), which means that at least one parent thought this site was good enough. THAT is the parent that we need to talk to right now.
Your Dad needs to be told that this site is the LEADING source of information concerning corn snakes and their care. It's owner is one of the "BIG 3" in corn snakes. Rich Zuchowski of SerpenCo, Kathy Love of Cornutopia and Don Soderberg of South Mountain Reptiles are the leading breeders of corn snakes. Kathy and Don have actually written the books on proper corn snake care. All three are active members of this site and we have all learned from them and are still learning.
Cohabitation has been performed successfully by quite a few breeders...until something goes wrong. For as many people that say they have never had a problem cohabing corn snakes, there are just as many that used to cohab but stopped after something bad happened. At this point, you can simply split your tank in half as a 10 gallon tank is more than ample space for hatchling corns. That will give you time to get a second tank for your second corn.
And please, rethink the heat lamp. I have no idea why you changed from an UTH to a heat lamp. Heat lamps cannot be regulated and can give off too much heat, literally cooking your snakes. Corn snakes do not bask. They naturally obtain their heat from underneath. And if you then decide to get a hot rock instead, you should never own a pet of any kind and be brought up on charges of animal cruelty.
At 13, you needed your parents permission to become a member of this site (unless Rich changed the rules), which means that at least one parent thought this site was good enough. THAT is the parent that we need to talk to right now.
sarcare
New member
One thing to consider if your dad wont let you buy another enclosure is looking around to see if you have something at home that you can use. I have large tupperware type storage containers that I keep sweaters and winter clothes in--with a few holes, and a little work voila you have a vivarium that depending on the size could work for your snake for its life.
Sometimes it is easier to believe what someone you see and talk to in person tells you over what you read--particularly on forums--but one thing that is important as you make decisions is to consider the experience and knowledge of the person who is giving you the advice.
Another thing--look at it this way--even if you aren't sure you want two enclosures, it isn't going to hurt the snakes or make very much more work, so it certainly is a better risk to just seperate them!
Sometimes it is easier to believe what someone you see and talk to in person tells you over what you read--particularly on forums--but one thing that is important as you make decisions is to consider the experience and knowledge of the person who is giving you the advice.
Another thing--look at it this way--even if you aren't sure you want two enclosures, it isn't going to hurt the snakes or make very much more work, so it certainly is a better risk to just seperate them!
Corny Noob
Proud Momma
If you can't get another enclosure, although as we've already said why you guys can't buy a $3 tub is beyond me...
Please return the second snake and just focus on the one. It would be better for all parties involved :/
Please return the second snake and just focus on the one. It would be better for all parties involved :/
PtDnsr
I like calculus
This is an interesting thread so let's see if I can make some sense of my response. I'll first start off by saying that we were all new to the hobby at some point and all made mistakes. Some mistakes were bigger than others. When I first started keeping I cohabed my two snakes, an amel Sparks and a normal Shadow, in a 10 gallon tank. We thought they'd be fine as they were both hatchlings and we housed our adult male, Slink in another tank. Well, Sparks had gotten out of his cage once because the lid wasn't put on well, but I found him in the laundry pile and put him back. What do you think happened next? One day we found both of them gone - because they were both in the same cage. It was only by sheer luck that we found Shadow 3 WEEKS LATER. We never found Sparks, our first snake. This was before I had found this site and I shudder to think of what would have happened if we had continued to cohab them.
I like Susan's idea of dividing their current tank. Go get an aquarium divider (one of the ones meant for fish) and some sealant. Put it in the middle and seal it (you'll have to have temporary containers for your snakes while you do this). That way they can't get through, you have one tank so everyone's good for now. Since you are so young this does have to be a joint venture with your parent(s). Have them read up as well and ask questions. You can't go wrong with the information the experienced people on this board post for others. If your dad thinks you should feed live pinkies have him come ask reasons why you shouldn't. Involve your parents - don't just blindly say "but this is what I was told online" which never seems to work. Better yet, trade your parents chores for earning another tank. That way you're not just getting it but working for it. Or if you're interested in more corns save up for a small rack - I believe some places make them for 3 adults but I'm not positive. There are many options out there without becoming defensive and then wondering why something happened. Stick around, read all you can and then when you don't understand something ask questions. We really aren't that bad - we're just really passionate about snakes.
~Katie
(And since you insist...what type of bulb is in your heat lamp?)
I like Susan's idea of dividing their current tank. Go get an aquarium divider (one of the ones meant for fish) and some sealant. Put it in the middle and seal it (you'll have to have temporary containers for your snakes while you do this). That way they can't get through, you have one tank so everyone's good for now. Since you are so young this does have to be a joint venture with your parent(s). Have them read up as well and ask questions. You can't go wrong with the information the experienced people on this board post for others. If your dad thinks you should feed live pinkies have him come ask reasons why you shouldn't. Involve your parents - don't just blindly say "but this is what I was told online" which never seems to work. Better yet, trade your parents chores for earning another tank. That way you're not just getting it but working for it. Or if you're interested in more corns save up for a small rack - I believe some places make them for 3 adults but I'm not positive. There are many options out there without becoming defensive and then wondering why something happened. Stick around, read all you can and then when you don't understand something ask questions. We really aren't that bad - we're just really passionate about snakes.
~Katie
(And since you insist...what type of bulb is in your heat lamp?)
starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
Um yeah...right. The 3 leading cornsnake breeders in the country are members here, and 2 of them have written the best cornsnake care guides on the market. Some of the members here have actually discovered new genetic color mutations that I'm sure you've heard of. (Lavender, Caramel, Cinder to name 3). Some of these people have been breeding snakes longer than you've been alive.
And yet, someone who thinks snakes need live food and that solitary animals are best kept in pairs think the members here don't know anything. Priceless!
FunkyRes
New member
I would like to share my kingsnake cohab experience.
No - they didn't eat other, that risk is greatly reduced (though not eliminated) by keeping them well fed.
No - as a newbie, you do not know how to judge that your snakes are well fed. It still sometimes amazes me what a snake can actually handle, and the tendency with newbies is to feed less than the snake can handle by not moving up prey size appropriately
However - something very gross did happen.
After they had fed, I witnessed one of the regurgitating. I went to the kitchen to get paper towels to clean it up, and by the time I got back, the other was eating the regurgitated mouse.
How many times did that happen and I just didn't see it? I can't tell you because there is no way for me to know.
When a snake regurgitates, it is critical that you know it did so - because regurgitation usually means something is not right.
I think in my case - it regurgitated out of stress from being in an enclosure with another snake, but I really don't know - I separated them and it never regurgitated again, so I'm guessing that one or both of them became sexually mature (they were males) and became aggressive towards the other.
There are some species of snakes that may be somewhat communal, but corn snakes are not one of them. They are solitary, and only seek the company of others when the time has come to pass on their genes.
No - they didn't eat other, that risk is greatly reduced (though not eliminated) by keeping them well fed.
No - as a newbie, you do not know how to judge that your snakes are well fed. It still sometimes amazes me what a snake can actually handle, and the tendency with newbies is to feed less than the snake can handle by not moving up prey size appropriately
However - something very gross did happen.
After they had fed, I witnessed one of the regurgitating. I went to the kitchen to get paper towels to clean it up, and by the time I got back, the other was eating the regurgitated mouse.
How many times did that happen and I just didn't see it? I can't tell you because there is no way for me to know.
When a snake regurgitates, it is critical that you know it did so - because regurgitation usually means something is not right.
I think in my case - it regurgitated out of stress from being in an enclosure with another snake, but I really don't know - I separated them and it never regurgitated again, so I'm guessing that one or both of them became sexually mature (they were males) and became aggressive towards the other.
There are some species of snakes that may be somewhat communal, but corn snakes are not one of them. They are solitary, and only seek the company of others when the time has come to pass on their genes.
diego
New member
SnakeNewbie
I love Zoey and Cutter!!!
I dont need help any more. RIch pmed me and helped answer all my questions without flamming me so im good now 
Corny Noob
Proud Momma
A lot of us did it with out flaming too.
But now I wonder why I bothered if you're just gonna cast it aside like that :/
Oh well.
Glad you got the help you needed though.
But now I wonder why I bothered if you're just gonna cast it aside like that :/
Oh well.
Glad you got the help you needed though.
starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
Coincedence?
In the last 2 days there has been....
2 13 year olds joining the site
1 is a girl
1 is a boy
Both co-hab, 1 joined knowing co-habbing was wrong, yet did it anyway. 1 went out impulsively and stuck a second snake in the tank,only days after getting the first one....AFTER being told that the snake should not be handled and needs to be LEFT ALONE for a week.
1 has an all-knowing mother.
1 has a know-it-all father.
And when one gets challenged for doing something that's hurting his animals, he claims that Rich Z pmed him and sorted everything out. I tend not to believe this as we all know the tremendous workload that Rich is facing right now, I doubt the dear guy is even eating properly or getting enough sleep this time of year!
In the last 2 days there has been....
2 13 year olds joining the site
1 is a girl
1 is a boy
Both co-hab, 1 joined knowing co-habbing was wrong, yet did it anyway. 1 went out impulsively and stuck a second snake in the tank,only days after getting the first one....AFTER being told that the snake should not be handled and needs to be LEFT ALONE for a week.
1 has an all-knowing mother.
1 has a know-it-all father.
And when one gets challenged for doing something that's hurting his animals, he claims that Rich Z pmed him and sorted everything out. I tend not to believe this as we all know the tremendous workload that Rich is facing right now, I doubt the dear guy is even eating properly or getting enough sleep this time of year!
TripleMoonsExotic
I <3 Stripes!
I dont need help any more. RIch pmed me and helped answer all my questions without flamming me so im good now
I find the very, very hard to believe. Rich is extremely busy this time of year (what was the count, 4,000 hatchlings this year?) and barely has time to pay attention to the forums in general let alone one kid.
starsevol said:
I think it's just that time of year. The kids are getting bored on their summer vacation.
TripleMoonsExotic
I <3 Stripes!
You certainly don't know how to use proper punctuation and grammar. :rofl:
I'm picking...
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