Can you Believe this!!!!

[madamwlf]

http://snakesnare.com/

What a horrible product to be selling. People need to be taught snakes should be preserved, not killed.

Here is a link to a petition to show our total unapproval of such items.

http://www.petitiononline.com/HW652005/

 

[louiseypees]

That's a bit nasty - I signed it!

Louise

 

[sherry]

things like that tick me off and people who use it need to be smacked thats all im gonna say

 

[pcar]

ok, you guys really need to look at this from the other perspective. I live on a ranch and keep cattle, sheep, chickens, and have a number of dogs. Here in Central TX, we have what you call the Western Diamondback rattle snake. These snakes are notorious for striking anything that comes in it's imediate area. I have lost 5 dogs in the last 2 years to rattle snake bites, countless sheep, and 2 calves. Whenever I or my father in law comes accross a rattle snake, it is always dispatched. Conserving them is just taking money out of our hands, and therefore taking food out of our mouths.

A rattle snake bite is nothing to laugh at. Sure we have meds to treat it, and most people bitten live through the ordeal, but I have seen fist hand what a rattle snake bite does to a human. My Cousin has been bitten by one ON THE THUMB, and almost lost his whole hand. And yes, he was at the hospital 5 minutes after the bite.

Now, when you think about housing developments, golf courses and other areas where your kids might be playing...do you really want them to save the venemous snakes that live in the area, and putting you and your kids in danger? Snakes, especially venemous ones, are very terretorial, and will return to their territory when moved. Unless taken so far away that they are then out of their region. Sor, capture and release will most likely not work. The only thing left is complete removal.

I have a love for all animals, especially snakes. But, I will kill anything that poses a deadly threat to my, my family, or the animals in my care.

So, before you just go and sign this petition, please consider what can and will happen if you put a killing ban on venemous snakes.

 

[madamwlf]

If you are that close to put a noose around a rattlesnake's neck then you are close enough to be biten. Does that not sound dangerous to you?

 

[Taceas]

I agree with Pcar to a certain extent. Please try to look at the other side of the coin before going off on an uninformed crusade.

While I don't think its feasible to eliminate all rattlers within a ranch's acreage, I think getting the ones close to your home and family should be of utmost importance. They can kill given the chance. Its just Nature to them to strike at anything that potentially poses a threat.

As time goes on, people keep moving out into the "wilderness" and out there is the snake's domain. But sadly, there isn't any good way to deal with the native venomous snakes. Look at California, people are moving by the droves into what was pristine habitat, and now they're having disastrous consequences with the natural fauna in the area.

I think this is by far the most humane thing I've seen in the snake elimination arsenal. Transporting works, but I have a feeling to transport them far enough out of their territory to keep them from coming back, would also transport them out of their native region and that would be a whole other issue as well.

I don't think this tool was meant as a "kill the odd and end type of snake, or escaped Burm in your garage". Most of the snakes they list are venomous, and do have real threats to consider.

 

[pcar]

If you are that close to put a noose around a rattlesnake's neck then you are close enough to be biten. Does that not sound dangerous to you?

just taking a step out in one of my fields in any given day and you are close enough to a rattler to get bitten 9 times out of 10. So, which sounds more dangerous?

 

[dionythicus]

If used for protection, it is no worse than carrying a gun for the same purpose. I don't condone using this product to go snake hunting, I still think that's wrong. There needs to be a way for people to protect themselves in areas where venomous snakes are in frequent contact with humans. You can also use this product to poke around inside an outbuilding, among boxes, etc, to even see if there is a snake before you go in! It doesn't have to just be for dispatching them. Maybe if you hear the rattle, you know better than to go in. Life saved.

 

[pcar]

You and I might know to listen for a rattler, but a 3 year old toddler doesn't know this. They may think it is their toy and go running after it. I don't go out of my way to hunt for rattlers and kill them, I just dispatch them when i come accross them.

 

[Taceas]

I guess your view on this sort of thing really has a lot to do with where you live. I guess there aren't many vemomous snakes in Maryland...

Around here we have a few Timber Rattlesnakes down in the bottoms and a few copperheads here and there as well. Thankfully though while mushroom hunting I've never had the opprotunity to come across their paths. Maybe all for the better.

I don't know if rattlesnake populations are particularly threatened by the occasional hunting/killing anymore than they are by urbanization. What're you going to do, ban the building of new homes and business?

They have those huge hunts down in Texas, so they're must be enough of them to warrant the amount of snakes I see in a barrel.

 

[CAV]

Not that I'd own one myself....BUT....

Why should I sign a petition for a product that is being legally sold, to legal buyer, for a legal purpose? Just because I may not personally agree with what a person chooses to do with his/her free time, doesn't mean they don't have a right to do it. That is rather un-American IMHO.

 

[Drizzt80]

If you are that close to put a noose around a rattlesnake's neck then you are close enough to be biten. Does that not sound dangerous to you?

I believe a snake can strike up to half it's body lenght?? Correct me if I'm wrong here, not looking up exact info. The snakesnare measures 5 feet long so you'd have to come across a 10 foot rattler to get bitten . . . That's if my assumption is correct of course.

Looks to me to be a perfectly acceptable legally used hunting tool such as CAV mentioned. There's people who raise deer as pets, I happen to shoot them for food. I happen to raise snakes for fun, others may eat them. Such is life.

Actually it looks very similar to the tools dog catchers/vets use to handle overly agressive cats and dogs as well as other animals.

D80

 

[Spirit]

Just because I may not personally agree with what a person chooses to do with his/her free time, doesn't mean they don't have a right to do it. That is rather un-American IMHO.

While I may agree with you, this reminds me of a Leave It To Beaver episode I saw last week (dont' ask me why I was watching it). The dad said ""Wow Beav. That boy is so polite, he's almost not American". Freaking lmao, I did. Not at the quote itself, but the fact that it was said on leave it to beaver. :laugh:

I will say that I don't care what it is. If it's endangering my life or the lives of my loved ones, it should be removed. Having said that I live with bears (they wander into peoples backyards all the time). They're first relocated, but will be destroyed if they come back a second time (which they sometimes do). It's extremely sad that this happens (it's also fairly rare), but I'm sure the parent would disagree if that bear killed their kid.

 

[MegF.]

I don't kill rattlers when I find them on ranch property. I throw them in a bucket and take them several miles away up a canyon and turn them loose. However, if you're living in the middle of suburbia, you would probably be better off killing a nuisance rattlesnake, rather than try to catch it. Most bites are to drunk, young males who decide to be macho and catch the snake anyway. As far as rattling, I have had very few rattlesnakes rattle at me. I do a lot of work with rattlesnakes, as we put on a program to train dogs to stay away from them, and sometimes it takes a lot to get the snake to rattle. The western diamondbacks are the most aggressive of the bunch, but the great basins and mojave greens are nearly always silent. Some of the southern pacific's can be aggressive, but on the whole, they aren't unless you really push it. If there's a tool out there that will help "Bob Smith" safely dispose of a snake that may threaten his 4 year old child, so be it. On the other hand, I don't condone going out looking for snakes to kill. I definitely don't like the snake roundup they have in Texas. They are cruelly disposed of, all for the sake of showmanship and nothing more. Eventually, (and it's happening already) the numbers of snakes of any size will dwindle. Too bad too, as rattlesnakes have their place as rodent disposal just like their non-poisonous cousins. Look what happened in Australia after they killed off large numbers of the snake population......rodent overpopulation.

 

[JTGoff69]

Though I love my snakes, if there were venomous snakes on the property, they would be promptly dispatched. I think this is a humane alternative to some, and therefore won't advocate it's demise. :wavey:

 

[Lucille]

Why should I sign a petition for a product that is being legally sold, to legal buyer, for a legal purpose? Just because I may not personally agree with what a person chooses to do with his/her free time, doesn't mean they don't have a right to do it. That is rather un-American IMHO.

While of course people do have rights to do what they wish in their free time as long as it is legal, I believe it is an American right for the rest of us to have the freedom to say what we believe about it.

My own personal thoughts are that I value children, and my pets, and I would not like to see them die of a bite from a poisonous snake. I live in the suburbs and in over 20 years at my present home have never seen a rattler loose on the property, and I hope it stays that way.

I do not have any 'hot' snakes in my collection but I do see a world of difference in a snake kept in a locked cage by an experienced owner, and one that is lurking outdoors, capable of bestowing death, in an area with kids and dogs and so on.
What with high feed costs, taxes, expensive hired labor, and so on, many ranchers barely make it these days. If I was a rancher I would not want to be losing farm stock to ANY kind of predator.

What do y'all think?

 

[Itsnowingcorns]

Being in the UK this doesn't affect me at all, but I agree wtih all of you. These snakes are killed by other animals too, humans have just as much right to be rid of them aswell, whether to protect their family or for eatings .

 

[CAV]

I believe it is an American right for the rest of us to have the freedom to say what we believe about it.

Voice your opinions on an issue? Asbolutely.

Enact legislation that outlaws a legal behavior and subsequently interferes with individual personal liberty and the pursuit of individual happiness? Not for any reason in the world.

 

[pcar]

I believe a snake can strike up to half it's body lenght?? Correct me if I'm wrong here, not looking up exact info. The snakesnare measures 5 feet long so you'd have to come across a 10 foot rattler to get bitten . . . That's if my assumption is correct of course.

D80,

You are correct about this. Rattlers, and other snakes for that matter, can strike up to half the length of their body. You say that you would have to come into contact with a 10 foot rattler to get bitten while using this tool. You are correct there to. However, we have dispactched rattlers over the 7 foot mark on our property, and I saw a rattler that was streched the length of a 2 lane highway with the tail and head in the grass at the shoulder. So, there are some pretty long ones out here.

Then you have something else to take into account...Rattlers are very very fast, and can move almost fast enough to miss seeing. A snake that is 5 foot away, can be 2 inches away in less time than it takes to blink. In which case, you are now liable to be bitten.

The western diamondbacks are the most aggressive of the bunch, but the great basins and mojave greens are nearly always silent. Some of the southern pacific's can be aggressive, but on the whole, they aren't unless you really push it.

Meg, you are correct here too. Western Diamondbacks are reportedly the most agressive rattlers that you can come accross. You don't even have to be mocho or drunk to get bitten by one :grin01: . In the 5 years that I have been walking my Father-in-law's property, I have come accross 20 some rattlers, and almost stepped on 3 of them. All but one were completely silent, and the one that rattled at me, was the farthest one from me. When I am walking through the hay in the fields, I tend to wear rattler gaurds (plastic thing that goes around your leg below the knee and above the foot) just in case. I have been struck in the leg twice now, and was saved by them.

 

[sherry]

there more then one way to get rid of a snake then kill it no matter what kind they are. i dont like the idea of killing a animal no matter if its the dangerous kind. i hate spider but i dont smash them i relocate them, u can do the same. tempt it to go into a cage or something stick a mouse in a cage and catch the dang thing and take it somewear eles, no need to kill it. i understand u are conserned about kids too, i agree kids need a safe invornment but thats still no reson to kill them learn to protect them too and i think its inhumane and crule and stupid to kill a snake for a prize or for its ratterlers, most of the time they are scared of you unless yes its a dimond back but still, i worked right next to one plant andit didnt bite me or anything i put a bucket inbetween us and told it to stay on that side and it did, no need to kill. sorry about rambling but its what i believe in so