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Can you Believe this!!!!

CAV said:
Voice your opinions on an issue? Asbolutely.

Enact legislation that outlaws a legal behavior and subsequently interferes with individual personal liberty and the pursuit of individual happiness? Not for any reason in the world. :)
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I did not know if this was a global or specific opinion. If it is specific to this rattlesnake deal, I just have to bow out as my opinion on the matter is not sufficiently strong either way.
However, if it is a global statement about law of course I must speak up: ALL laws that are enacted interfere with present legal ability in some way, and interfere with personal liberty to some degree.
This certainly does not make the legislation negative, some behavior NEEDS to be enjoined.
If you enact a law making rape of a child illegal, for instance, and there was no law there before; this would outlaw a behavior that was legal prior to the law.
Not ethical or moral, but if no law was ever passed against it, it would be legal. After the enactment, it would interfere with the liberty of child rapists to pursue their hobby and what makes THEM happy.
I certainly hope we all agree that such a law is a welcome restriction?
By the way, hi, I'm new, pleased to meet y'all.... :)
 
sherry said:
there more then one way to get rid of a snake then kill it no matter what kind they are. i dont like the idea of killing a animal no matter if its the dangerous kind. i hate spider but i dont smash them i relocate them, u can do the same. tempt it to go into a cage or something stick a mouse in a cage and catch the dang thing and take it somewear eles, no need to kill it. i understand u are conserned about kids too, i agree kids need a safe invornment but thats still no reson to kill them learn to protect them too and i think its inhumane and crule and stupid to kill a snake for a prize or for its ratterlers, most of the time they are scared of you unless yes its a dimond back but still, i worked right next to one plant andit didnt bite me or anything i put a bucket inbetween us and told it to stay on that side and it did, no need to kill. sorry about rambling but its what i believe in so
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We all have our own opinions. Yes, I agree with you too. I don't like to kill animals for sport. Trying to capture a rattler is a neat trick. If you lay out a trap with a mouse in it, you are more than likely to get something other than the rattler. If you are actually close enough to try and catch it, you are more likely to get bit than get the snake in the cage. Next we talk about relocation. Rattlesnakes are territorial, and when removed from their territory, they will return. The only way to make it so that they don't return will take them out of their natural habitat. Doing this will do the samething as letting a Burmese Python loose in the US.

I won't comment on you saying that you worked right next to a rattler...... :confused: except for why you would want to tempt one like this.
 
Do I detect a slight hint of lawyer odor?

More laws spawn more laywers which in turn spawns more laws. What a silly cycle. :noevil:


lucillle said:
However, if it is a global statement about law of course I must speak up: ALL laws that are enacted interfere with present legal ability in some way, and interfere with personal liberty to some degree.
This certainly does not make the legislation negative, some behavior NEEDS to be enjoined.
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The problem with our modern society is that the first response to ANY stimulation is to "pass a law". The basis for our Constitution (and our founding beliefs) was not to promote lawlessness or over legislate, but to honor the sanctity of personal liberty.

lucillle said:
If you enact a law making rape of a child illegal, for instance, and there was no law there before; this would outlaw a behavior that was legal prior to the law. Not ethical or moral, but if no law was ever passed against it, it would be legal. After the enactment, it would interfere with the liberty of child rapists to pursue their hobby and what makes THEM happy.
I certainly hope we all agree that such a law is a welcome restriction?
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That example is espousing the "letter of the law" and was not adhering to the original meaning of the original statement; common sense dictates that there are exceptions to every rule. ;)

lucillle said:
By the way, hi, I'm new, pleased to meet y'all.... :)
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Hi Lucille, I’m the resident smart @$$. It is also a safe assumption that I'd be voted "most likely to argue with a stump on either side of any hot button topic" 'round these parts. :)
 
CAV said:
Hi Lucille, I’m the resident smart @$$. It is also a safe assumption that I'd be voted "most likely to argue with a stump on either side of any hot button topic" 'round these parts. :)
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Hi Gary; I am very shy but have been known to join a debate now and then.

" Hi Lucille, I’m the resident smart @$$."

1) Gary, I am an older person, and throughout my long life, no one has ever described my **@$$** as smart; that is a WHOLE nother thread which perhaps should be left by the wayside for now. :D

2)Since you are obviously savvy to this board style, I called this short intermission to establish my own thoughts on debate style and procedure. I can guarantee you hours of debating pleasure, in return I want to feel appreciated and welcomed. :)

3) If your intentions are to have a lively intellectual argument, that is fine. If you on occasion take off your gloves and really get down and dirty while debating, that is fine too. But I always show respect for those who deserve it, as you obviously do.
a) You are certainly one of a kind
b) I can tell already that talking to you is going to be very interesting and entertaining..... :D
c) Your forum rocks, just saw it

4) Btw I am south of Houston; you?
 
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"This is the start of a beautiful frieldship."

I'm in Austin for the third time, but have lived in Lubbock, Dallas and College Station (twice). Are you involved at all with the ETHS? There are certainly a bunch of good herpers in H-town! :)
 
Not involved with them, school and work take all my time.
Austin is absolutely beautiful!!

I challenge you to a throw-down debate, you pick the subject and I'll win, how's that? :D

A few subjects are off limits:
gun control (I'm against it)
abortion (too volatile)
Anything to do with our host's boards or biz (I'm pro-Rich)
Blue Bell ice cream (it's holy)

Come on, big boy, let's see what you are made of......
 
TrpnBils said:
I always thought CAV was the stump... I'm confused now :confused:
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That was before I evolved into a masterdebater. (OK be honest, how many of you have to read that a second time? :rolleyes: )

JTG said:
OOOOHHHH CAV! Are you gonna let her throw the gauntlet down with no response????
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I had plans. We had a lovely dinner and herped at Pcar's house last night. :shrugs:

lucillle said:
A few subjects are off limits:
gun control (I'm against it)
abortion (too volatile)
Anything to do with our host's boards or biz (I'm pro-Rich)
Blue Bell
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Those would make for rather boring debates because I agree with you across the board. ;) (Must be a Texas thang.)

lucillle said:
Austin is absolutely beautiful!!
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The land is glorious, but it's the leftist, hippy, pinko, old-time-liberals-that-refuse-to-die-or-move-to-California that ruin the town for me. :crazy02:

OH I have a topic! Holy Roman Empire; neither holy, Roman, nor an empire. Go! :noevil:
 
The Herpin' wasn't all that great, but thanks for the dinner compliment.

The wife said that you are welcome back anytime.
 
Shhhh, Brownie, don't tell about my private life lol..... :roflmao:

Gary, excellent first move; but this is an adversarial proceeding....YOU must establish **your** position..
You were trying to get me so spin my wheels mapping out the subject, and you would stroll in and pick your outpost at that time.....Good man, but it isn't going to happen that way.....
 
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CAV said:
The land is glorious, but it's the leftist, hippy, pinko, old-time-liberals-that-refuse-to-die-or-move-to-California that ruin the town for me. :crazy02:

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You mean like democrats, and old hippies, you know, the ones that were at Woodstock? Those types?
 
CAV said:
The land is glorious, but it's the leftist, hippy, pinko, old-time-liberals-that-refuse-to-die-or-move-to-California that ruin the town for me.
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lucillle said:
You mean like democrats, and old hippies, you know, the ones that were at Woodstock?
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Most Woodstock-era hippies became yuppified and are probably greater proponents of the free enterprise system than Milton Friedman. :cool:

But hey, it's hard to shake old stereotypes out of young minds. ;)

regards,
jazz
 
jazzgeek said:
Most Woodstock-era hippies became yuppified and are probably greater proponents of the free enterprise system than Milton Friedman. :cool:
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In most places that would probably be true but in Austin they're still sporting beads, hemp shirts, a Jerry Garcia beard and cruisin in a VW bus. :puke01:

This IS the home of of the red headed stranger ya know.....
 

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CAV said:
In most places that would probably be true but in Austin they're still sporting beads, hemp shirts, a Jerry Garcia beard and cruisin in a VW bus. :puke01:

This IS the home of of the red headed stranger ya know.....
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Gary, you are too funny. When I see you at the Texas party, will tell you all about Woodstock, lol.... :cheers:
You're up on the debate, son; let's hear what you got.......
(Remember I am shy and quiet, and you style yourself a masterdebater, be gentle...).
 
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lucillle said:
and you style yourself a masterdebater, be gentle...).
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As a "masterdebater" he'll never be gentle......but as a master....well...you know, I'm sure he IS gentle! LOL :grin01:
 
Jen, it would be interesting to hear how you know that fact..... :grin01:
This is a exercise in debate; I am however a very shy person. I am certain that anyone who is a Master at anything will take that into account and tailor behavior accordingly.......
 
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