diamondlil
Mice! They taste so nice!
Ok Vanina, if you insist :grin01:
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Controversial Topic inspired by ‘Chat room - listen up, please’
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Serpwidgets
New member
I think we all post for a little bit of all of those reasons, and some times more one reason and other times more for other reasons. When I got on the corn forums "back in the olden days" it was quite a bit harder to find many pics of morphs, so this is an incredible resourse to have and I like to think I'm doing a good thing by adding a few pics here and there. Aren't I so noble? :grin01:
If I'm getting the "no contribution" thing I think it means "I'm just posting this picture, please do not comment."
When I first came to this board I was active on that other place, and what brought me here was the photo gallery. I thought it would be great to have one forum where there was nothing at all to read, just pictures to drool over. That's one of the things I love about the photo contests... no words, just pictures... drooool!
I will be honest and say that, years ago at the beginning, I didn't like it when the posts were "a picture and then a bunch of comments, and maybe another picture" because then it was more work if you just wanted to look at pictures. You would have to scroll through each thread looking for more. However, that wasn't how the photo gallery worked, and I can thank Simon for helping me get over that. It didn't matter what anyone posted, he would always reply with a "nice snake" or "wow that snake is ugly, I think you should send it to me :grin01: " type of response.
So, I can understand the "no contribution" thing if that is what it's intended to be. But I think if that is something people want to do, it is also going to cause arguments over "etiquette" when someone does reply. I think it would suck if people ended up fighting with each other, or becoming resentful toward each other, just because the respondant didn't know the original poster's intention and was genuinely being nice. If this is important to users, I would suggest adding a "photos only" gallery, where ONLY the original poster is able to post anything, and no other users are even capable of responding.
I think I would use it with some of my photos.
But other times it's great to post a pic of [morph] and see 20 other people respond with "Here's my [morph]" :wavey:
If I'm getting the "no contribution" thing I think it means "I'm just posting this picture, please do not comment."
When I first came to this board I was active on that other place, and what brought me here was the photo gallery. I thought it would be great to have one forum where there was nothing at all to read, just pictures to drool over. That's one of the things I love about the photo contests... no words, just pictures... drooool!
I will be honest and say that, years ago at the beginning, I didn't like it when the posts were "a picture and then a bunch of comments, and maybe another picture" because then it was more work if you just wanted to look at pictures. You would have to scroll through each thread looking for more. However, that wasn't how the photo gallery worked, and I can thank Simon for helping me get over that. It didn't matter what anyone posted, he would always reply with a "nice snake" or "wow that snake is ugly, I think you should send it to me :grin01: " type of response.
So, I can understand the "no contribution" thing if that is what it's intended to be. But I think if that is something people want to do, it is also going to cause arguments over "etiquette" when someone does reply. I think it would suck if people ended up fighting with each other, or becoming resentful toward each other, just because the respondant didn't know the original poster's intention and was genuinely being nice. If this is important to users, I would suggest adding a "photos only" gallery, where ONLY the original poster is able to post anything, and no other users are even capable of responding.
I think I would use it with some of my photos.
But other times it's great to post a pic of [morph] and see 20 other people respond with "Here's my [morph]" :wavey:
I have yet to post a picture of my Zaida [although Jodu posted one for me].. but I posted a thread announcing I finally got here. Attention seeking? I suppose so, although I like to think of it more as sharing my excitement. I was excited about getting her, so I came to the place where people would most appreciate how I was feeling.
When I'm able to take pictures and post them, it'll be for a similar reason. Because I love her, and I think she's beautiful, and I want to share with others that may think she's pretty too and understand my love for her. Where else would you go for that?
I probably would have been pretty offended if I had been in the chat.. I'm not an established member, nor do I have anything to contribute. I came here to learn, but if this site was purely educational, and didn't have fun "pointless" posts, I most likely wouldn't have stayed.
I think not enough people post pictures of their snakes. I'm a big fan of photography-- and snakes. Not only that, but I LOVE seeing how passionate others are about their pets.
When I'm able to take pictures and post them, it'll be for a similar reason. Because I love her, and I think she's beautiful, and I want to share with others that may think she's pretty too and understand my love for her. Where else would you go for that?
diamondlil said:
I probably would have been pretty offended if I had been in the chat.. I'm not an established member, nor do I have anything to contribute. I came here to learn, but if this site was purely educational, and didn't have fun "pointless" posts, I most likely wouldn't have stayed.
I think not enough people post pictures of their snakes. I'm a big fan of photography-- and snakes. Not only that, but I LOVE seeing how passionate others are about their pets.
ghosthousecorns
Well-known member
I would say I do it to show off my snake... I think for a lot of us, when we get a new snake we are happy. excited, and want to share it with other people. I mainly post pics when I have a new snake or new hatchlings. I don't post a lot of photo threads because I don't have a great camera, but when I do it is always nice to get the 'nice snake' comments and even if these comments may not be a huge intellectual contribution that sheds new light on the morph or anything, to me it is the thought, the fact that someone has chosen to look at my picture and compliment me on my snake, that counts.
Kind of the same as a comment that I made in the chat room thread, it's the fact that somebody acknowledges me and that makes me feel good. Not everyone may have the time or inclination to do so, but those who do are the ones I consider to be the nicest people here.
Kind of the same as a comment that I made in the chat room thread, it's the fact that somebody acknowledges me and that makes me feel good. Not everyone may have the time or inclination to do so, but those who do are the ones I consider to be the nicest people here.
jenkva
Buzz-Buzz Ziggety-Zag
OK, it seems that I have not explained myself clearly and was too much in a hurry to post yet again :bang:
The "no contribution" was an expression taken from another post and should not be taken as the sole subject of this thread
It was meant as "what do you think of only pics posting".
I love this Forum for all the pics, info, humour, discussions that the difference of opinions raise and would not leave this Forum as I feel comfortable and at home. I do not take personally all the comments as we cannot all agree on the same thing which would truly be boring.
Gosh, imagine if we all agreed with each others points of view, that would be so boring!
I much prefer that we can explain why we think what we think and if we don't agree, we just need to agree to disagree
The "no contribution" was an expression taken from another post and should not be taken as the sole subject of this thread
It was meant as "what do you think of only pics posting".
I love this Forum for all the pics, info, humour, discussions that the difference of opinions raise and would not leave this Forum as I feel comfortable and at home. I do not take personally all the comments as we cannot all agree on the same thing which would truly be boring.
Gosh, imagine if we all agreed with each others points of view, that would be so boring!
I much prefer that we can explain why we think what we think and if we don't agree, we just need to agree to disagree
ArpeggioAngel
Around Here Somewhere....
I would have to agree...this is how I am too. I love photography, have for many years. Now that I have snakes, it is just another avenue/outlet for me to express that passion. The two combined together are great fun for me. And of course, when I have photos of my snakes (whom I think are beautiful) that come out well, I enjoy sharing them with others. I also like being able to document for anyone who is interested the progression of my snakes via these pictures. (Of course, it it always nice when people comment and tell me they think my snakes are pretty too!)
I am fairly new to the snake world, so I contribute where I can. Mainly I try to answer newbie questions with answers I have learned right here on this site. But since I am fairly new, I don't yet have a lot to contribute along the lines of genes, breeding and such. Hopefully as I learn more, I will be able to contribute more.
kimbyra
cornsnake addict
Thanks for clearing that up Jenkva!
IMHO - I think if someone posted a pic and wrote "no comments please" that would be really rude. This is a FORUM, which implies communication, and communication goes two-ways. If you just want to post your pic without having any comments, do it on your own website in your photo section, not on a forum site. Now that is definitely my 2 cents.
I love seeing "nice snake" comments and such, and post that often myself. If you don't like comments, don't read them.
Cheers!
IMHO - I think if someone posted a pic and wrote "no comments please" that would be really rude. This is a FORUM, which implies communication, and communication goes two-ways. If you just want to post your pic without having any comments, do it on your own website in your photo section, not on a forum site. Now that is definitely my 2 cents.
I love seeing "nice snake" comments and such, and post that often myself. If you don't like comments, don't read them.
Cheers!
Serpwidgets
New member
The reason for having them here instead of a webpage is that if they are here, they will show up in peoples' searches while they are already at a corn snake site.
When looking through Dean and Matt's progression threads, I have been tempted to post quite a few "nice snake" comments. However, I think that could be taken either way. I could see how that might be considered rude to insert comments where the purpose is to show how the snake changes from shed to shed. I'm sure the comments are appreciated now, but the intention is also for these threads to exist in perpetuity, and 2 years or 10 years from now I wonder if many people looking at that thread would care whether some dude named Serpwidgets thought the snake was pretty after its second shed.
I am running a few of my own progression threads, and my intention once they reach adulthood is to put all of those pictures into new thread, all by themselves, and lock the thread. If people want to comment on them as the thread is being created, that's great and I welcome it. But it would also be nice for someone wanting to see a snake grow up does not have to "read" anything (or skip past the text and wonder what they might have missed) and they can just watch the snake grow up before their eyes, so with my threads will be both options.
I know you could interpret that as someone putting you down for wanting to share your enthusiasm with others, but by the same token your reaction could be taken as you putting someone else down for being so interested in the morph that they only want to see the pictures. :santa:
I doubt there is any malice behind people either wanting to comment or not have comments on a particular thread. I think it's just a matter of everyone appreciating the same things in different ways. :cheers:
When looking through Dean and Matt's progression threads, I have been tempted to post quite a few "nice snake" comments. However, I think that could be taken either way. I could see how that might be considered rude to insert comments where the purpose is to show how the snake changes from shed to shed. I'm sure the comments are appreciated now, but the intention is also for these threads to exist in perpetuity, and 2 years or 10 years from now I wonder if many people looking at that thread would care whether some dude named Serpwidgets thought the snake was pretty after its second shed.
I am running a few of my own progression threads, and my intention once they reach adulthood is to put all of those pictures into new thread, all by themselves, and lock the thread. If people want to comment on them as the thread is being created, that's great and I welcome it. But it would also be nice for someone wanting to see a snake grow up does not have to "read" anything (or skip past the text and wonder what they might have missed) and they can just watch the snake grow up before their eyes, so with my threads will be both options.
I know you could interpret that as someone putting you down for wanting to share your enthusiasm with others, but by the same token your reaction could be taken as you putting someone else down for being so interested in the morph that they only want to see the pictures. :santa:
I doubt there is any malice behind people either wanting to comment or not have comments on a particular thread. I think it's just a matter of everyone appreciating the same things in different ways. :cheers:
cassandra
Got an equally large boa?
I don't care what someone's intentions were for posting pictures of their snakes. I love looking at snakes, in person or pictures posted on the web.
If you have a "growth progession" thread going where you don't want people to post comments, just say so. I don't care - as long as I can see the pictures.
Pictures are gooder. /nod =)
If you have a "growth progession" thread going where you don't want people to post comments, just say so. I don't care - as long as I can see the pictures.
Pictures are gooder. /nod =)
kimbyra
cornsnake addict
Okay, I now get the reason why you may want to post pics and include "no comments please", but I think most people wont understand it (and thus interpret it as rude) unless you explain why in your post, or unless they've read this thread of course. Just a thought. Cheers!
I think a few harsh and judgemental comments made by a few people that were heated at the time are being taken a bit too seriously. There is not any group of people that rolls their eyes when others respond "nice snake" to photos. There were dynamics that lead up to the whole R.W. incident.
I believe 99.9% of people see the "nice snake" posts as people being nice and complimenting each other. The problem is, every once in awhile someone will come along and post comments to every single photo gallery post made. Well, I guess that in itself is not the problem, it's people's judgemental reactions to such behavior that is the problem. These people may make these posts for a thousand different reasons. Maybe they just have a lot of time on their hands and are very friendly, maybe they are uber excited over corns, perhaps they don't want anyone to feel bad because no one responded "nice snake" to their photo, they could also figure that if they compliment everyone else's photos then when they post some themselves they are guaranteed to get some "pats back", to others... this is their way of making friends... going around complimenting everyone, then there is the scenario that everyone assumes; The person is posting just to boost their post count and rep power.
Here were my comments on the matter then and now...
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=133610&postcount=39
I think a few people took their rep points a little too seriously. They were so proud of all the "praise" they had accumulated that they couldn't stand to see anyone catch up to them with "nice snake" posts. I think that is silly. Do you really need more rep points to know you have more experience and knowledge than a friendly newbie trying to be nice? Judging yourself by your rep points is just as lame as judging someone for making a lot of "nice snake" posts, perhaps worse. Who are you to say what their motives are, and frankly, who cares?
On other note, I've seen a nasty trend with the rep system anyway. It is my opinion that people are getting a very big head over a system that you have to take with a HUGE grain of salt. Unfortunately, these big heads are leading to a "holier than thou" mentality and some people see it as a ticket to be completely rude. Having a lot of rep points does not mean you are always "right", or that you are superior to anyone else in the conversation.
I believe 99.9% of people see the "nice snake" posts as people being nice and complimenting each other. The problem is, every once in awhile someone will come along and post comments to every single photo gallery post made. Well, I guess that in itself is not the problem, it's people's judgemental reactions to such behavior that is the problem. These people may make these posts for a thousand different reasons. Maybe they just have a lot of time on their hands and are very friendly, maybe they are uber excited over corns, perhaps they don't want anyone to feel bad because no one responded "nice snake" to their photo, they could also figure that if they compliment everyone else's photos then when they post some themselves they are guaranteed to get some "pats back", to others... this is their way of making friends... going around complimenting everyone, then there is the scenario that everyone assumes; The person is posting just to boost their post count and rep power.
Here were my comments on the matter then and now...
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=133610&postcount=39
I think a few people took their rep points a little too seriously. They were so proud of all the "praise" they had accumulated that they couldn't stand to see anyone catch up to them with "nice snake" posts. I think that is silly. Do you really need more rep points to know you have more experience and knowledge than a friendly newbie trying to be nice? Judging yourself by your rep points is just as lame as judging someone for making a lot of "nice snake" posts, perhaps worse. Who are you to say what their motives are, and frankly, who cares?
On other note, I've seen a nasty trend with the rep system anyway. It is my opinion that people are getting a very big head over a system that you have to take with a HUGE grain of salt. Unfortunately, these big heads are leading to a "holier than thou" mentality and some people see it as a ticket to be completely rude. Having a lot of rep points does not mean you are always "right", or that you are superior to anyone else in the conversation.
kimbyra
cornsnake addict
Why do people give a monkeys butt about "rep points' and numbers of posts? I just don't understand it. Its obvious that some are really into that sort of thing. Whatever. I have 32 rp and 1,179 posts, and Carol has 126 rp, and 3,854 posts. OMG, she must be more popular then me. Grrrr. Lets scrap! (kidding) :cheers:
Case in point....
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/member.php?userid=106
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/member.php?u=3662
Gee, look at the difference in green squares! Does that mean that I loose all my knowledge and experience the second I step into Fauna, only to have it all suddenly come back to me on Cornsnakes.com?
I don't judge myself or anyone else by the number of green squares. :shrugs:
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/member.php?userid=106
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/member.php?u=3662
Gee, look at the difference in green squares! Does that mean that I loose all my knowledge and experience the second I step into Fauna, only to have it all suddenly come back to me on Cornsnakes.com?
I don't judge myself or anyone else by the number of green squares. :shrugs:
jenkva
Buzz-Buzz Ziggety-Zag
Really, you lose and get back your experience and knowledge between forums... waow... can you show me how you do that?? :grin01:carol said:Case in point....
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/member.php?userid=106
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/member.php?u=3662
Gee, look at the difference in green squares! Does that mean that I loose all my knowledge and experience the second I step into Fauna, only to have it all suddenly come back to me on Cornsnakes.com?
I don't judge myself or anyone else by the number of green squares. :shrugs:
I do see where you are coming from and agree with most of what you are saying about Rep. Points. It is not necessarily the amount of "greens" or posts that is important and should not be taken as a *certificate of rightness* in all the comments made by someone. The Rep.Point is indeed an interesting subject and can get a lot of comments / opinions / people going..... Anyway, how do you feel about he original question? :sidestep:
OK, so you don't see the connection....
My thoughts on the matter, it doesn't matter what people's intentions of posting photos are. The people who call "no contribution" and get their panties in a bunch do so for the same reasons as I stated above. They can't stand to see some "catch up" to them by posting a lot of either pictures or replies to pictures.
It personally drives me crazy to see update pictures of a snake every two weeks, but that's just my opinion. Do I think it should be stopped? No, I just don't look. I'm sure others may love to see such frequent updates.
Why do I post pics? For many different reasons. During the pipping season, I'm just sharing my excitement over all the new stuff popping up. At other times, I'll just end up somehow taking a pretty good shot that I think is beautiful enough to share. I also try to post pics of animals that are not too commonly seen as a reference. Then there is a reason that has not been touched on yet... advertising. Nothing speaks for your stock like pictures of them.
My thoughts on the matter, it doesn't matter what people's intentions of posting photos are. The people who call "no contribution" and get their panties in a bunch do so for the same reasons as I stated above. They can't stand to see some "catch up" to them by posting a lot of either pictures or replies to pictures.
It personally drives me crazy to see update pictures of a snake every two weeks, but that's just my opinion. Do I think it should be stopped? No, I just don't look. I'm sure others may love to see such frequent updates.
Why do I post pics? For many different reasons. During the pipping season, I'm just sharing my excitement over all the new stuff popping up. At other times, I'll just end up somehow taking a pretty good shot that I think is beautiful enough to share. I also try to post pics of animals that are not too commonly seen as a reference. Then there is a reason that has not been touched on yet... advertising. Nothing speaks for your stock like pictures of them.
Roy Munson
New member
*Slaps forehead.* Why didn't I think of that!carol said:Case in point....
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/member.php?userid=106
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/member.php?u=3662
Gee, look at the difference in green squares! Does that mean that I loose all my knowledge and experience the second I step into Fauna, only to have it all suddenly come back to me on Cornsnakes.com?
I don't judge myself or anyone else by the number of green squares. :shrugs:
Great post, Carol. I've been trying to think of a way to express this, but you've done a better job than I could have.
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CaptBogart
False Prophet
I have to agree with Dean and Chuck. I like having pics of my pets that I can access from work. I show my coworkers they don't all look like the black racer that hangs out by the front entrance, or giant man eater from the movie Anaconda. I hear, "Wow, that's my favorite color! I want one!", then all the questions. Same goes for the ones I post on DeviantArt, but I consider that, "Curing [size=-1]Ophidiophobia one pic at a time" :grin01:
[/size]Oh... and I'm an attention $*%$&.... Ok, not really, but with some practice....
I also like the fact that I can see how a particular morph changes as it grows because the closest to that is the site ( :shrugs: )with hatchling, yearling, and adult pics of some of the morphs. A lot of the breeders sites have one example of the adult morph, and it's their prize animal. With all these pics located in one spot, your able to see diverse examples and can get an idea of what to expect realistically. You can also tell if you're getting scammed by someone trying to pass a morph off as something else by using it as a reference. We all know what a sunlog looks like now :sidestep:
[/size]Oh... and I'm an attention $*%$&....
Ok, not really, but with some practice....I also like the fact that I can see how a particular morph changes as it grows because the closest to that is the site ( :shrugs: )with hatchling, yearling, and adult pics of some of the morphs. A lot of the breeders sites have one example of the adult morph, and it's their prize animal. With all these pics located in one spot, your able to see diverse examples and can get an idea of what to expect realistically. You can also tell if you're getting scammed by someone trying to pass a morph off as something else by using it as a reference. We all know what a sunlog looks like now :sidestep:
Serpwidgets
New member
Ok, I tried this out to see how it would work...
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40570
Anyone who is a subforum owner is able to do this. Just create the thread in your own forum. There is a checkbox above the submit button that says something about "close this thread." Check that and your thread will be locked so that nobody can post in it. If you want your picture on the photo gallery, then once you've posted and it's displaying the thread for you, in the thread tools menu select "move thread" and then move it to the photo gallery. It's nicer if you do turn off the "link thread" option (the linking makes the thread appear in both places)
So, if there's anyone who is that worried about their thread getting replies, it's possible to do that. Just be aware that very few people will see your thread, though, because the ones that get responses get bumped to the top again and people who missed it the first, second, or seventh time still have another chance to see those threads. The example above was posted at 1AM and by this morning it was halfway down the second page in the photo gallery, and was probably not very visible on peoples' "New Posts" lists either.
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40570
Anyone who is a subforum owner is able to do this. Just create the thread in your own forum. There is a checkbox above the submit button that says something about "close this thread." Check that and your thread will be locked so that nobody can post in it. If you want your picture on the photo gallery, then once you've posted and it's displaying the thread for you, in the thread tools menu select "move thread" and then move it to the photo gallery. It's nicer if you do turn off the "link thread" option (the linking makes the thread appear in both places)
So, if there's anyone who is that worried about their thread getting replies, it's possible to do that. Just be aware that very few people will see your thread, though, because the ones that get responses get bumped to the top again and people who missed it the first, second, or seventh time still have another chance to see those threads. The example above was posted at 1AM and by this morning it was halfway down the second page in the photo gallery, and was probably not very visible on peoples' "New Posts" lists either.