did the vet kill my baby corn?

[Vinman]

No disrespect to anybody but no reason to go to the vet Look what happend. It would have been better to get on the forum and get advice from exp. breeders first. The vet does not know everything and in most cases the vets are in compatant when it comes to herps. The problem is most people treat their herps like they were mammals. There was nothing a vet can do. Was she gonna go for all types of test running hundreds of dollars??? No. So the only thing the vet could and should have done is say. I generally looks fine in a few days feed it a very small meal. Lets see how he does then we can go from there. They could have got this info for free on this board. No matter how many of you feel that going to the vet is the right thing your wrong. The only reason you go to the vet if it was sick. If it looked ok then it was better to just montor the poor little guy.

 

[linzxxx]

yes i do tend to make a complaint and just for the record im not a novice ive kept snakes since i was young and i own quite a few diffrent reptiles! im just a very caring person that thought a vet check up was needed!

 

[Plissken]

No disrespect to anybody but no reason to go to the vet Look what happend. It would have been better to get on the forum and get advice from exp. breeders first. The vet does not know everything and in most cases the vets are in compatant when it comes to herps. The problem is most people treat their herps like they were mammals. There was nothing a vet can do. Was she gonna go for all types of test running hundreds of dollars??? No. So the only thing the vet could and should have done is say. I generally looks fine in a few days feed it a very small meal. Lets see how he does then we can go from there. They could have got this info for free on this board. No matter how many of you feel that going to the vet is the right thing your wrong. The only reason you go to the vet if it was sick. If it looked ok then it was better to just montor the poor little guy.

I think the OP has realised by now that something went wrong, don't you? This person isn't a long established member here, it is completely understandable that she wanted the opinion of a veterinary professional over those of faceless strangers on the internet. I'm sorry, but IMO your post was tactless and unneccessary.


EDIT: Good luck making your complaint, linzxxx. I know it can't replace your little one, but I do hope the vet can come to some arrangement with you.

 

[snakeboy24]

yes i do tend to make a complaint and just for the record im not a novice ive kept snakes since i was young and i own quite a few diffrent reptiles! im just a very caring person that thought a vet check up was needed!

i agree. i do not think it is fair that classed as a novice as you did not do what someone else would of done.

most people agree that it was rite to take him to the vets. it highlights that you care about the welfare of your animals. (no disrespect to people who wouldn't of taken it to the vets.)

 

[Vinman]

yes i do tend to make a complaint and just for the record im not a novice ive kept snakes since i was young and i own quite a few diffrent reptiles! im just a very caring person that thought a vet check up was needed!

if you weren't a novice then you would have known what to do with the animal. You would have left it alone for 2 or 3 days and fed it a half of a small pinkie. If the snake would not have held it down then I could have seen taking it to the vet. Just because you owned a couple of herps through out the years does not make you a pro. I owned many herps in my years too. It was not until I was a breeder for a many many years did I consider myself a professional. I started breeding in 1985 at the age of 22. before that I had many herps but I was still a novice. Novice is not a bad word it just means you are not a pro. That does not mean thats you don't know how to care for a herp it just that you are not experienced enough to be on the higher level. Like I said in the previous post . All you had to do was listen to your hubby he had the right idea and come on this board and ask for help . Do you have any idea how many of us lost snakes and found them weeks or months latter or delt with abused or neglected animals. Your vet wants to make money just by giving it a once over look is all they could of done for you, by tube feeding water they can charge more money and run up a bill. I never said you did not care it just there was no reason to take him to a vet. Unless you wanted to get the blood tested, get a colacal wash. Silva swab, and a ex-ray . That would run you about 5 hundred bucks or more . Now I'm telling you as person that has kept herps on and off for the first 20 years or so of their life and been breeding herps since 1985 two years after you were born . You did not have to go to a vet there was nothing they could have done for you except give you advice . I'm telling you like it is so someone else don't make the same mistake. Now you wanted to know if the vet killed your snake. Yes . They stressed it out or blew up the stomach with too much pressure being it was allready filled up with water or rupsured the snake intrenaly and put water where it did not belong. The reason they did not charge you is because they killed you snake thruoght their own falt and tey know it . They let you out the back to save their own reputation. Too bad you did not take the dead snake to another vet for a nrocropsey report for the cause of death. Call the board of health on the vety that is what I would be doing

 

[Roy Munson]

I don't think Vinny's comments were tactless or unnecessary. I think they were completely appropriate and relevant to the subject. He may have been a little blunt, but I don't think he crossed the line, and I think his intentions were good. I admire linzxxx for doing what she thought was right. I think her intentions were good too. Heck, I think the vet's intentions were good as well. This is an unfortunate incident, and I'm sorry that it happened, but humans make mistakes.

 

[UKCryptid]

I'm sorry but absolutely every 'point' vinman made could have been done in a far better way, I mean come on this isn't exactly the first time is it? Intentions matter no amount, the end doesn't justify the means and as said at the beginning there is absolutely no reason why all of those views couldn't have been worded in a polite way, so as to advise rather than stamp on somebody that is obviously upset about what happened, kicking people when they're down is the lowest of lows.
Besides all that, what's done is done linzxxx and all you can do is what all of us have done at some point and take it on the chin, remember for next time but one thing i do suggest is doing a little search around for local vets that are known for their good treatments, perhaps someone here may be able to send you in the right direction? I found the current vet i use through a friend and he's a god-send, hopefully there's one near you that somebody knows of. This way should you have any problems or questions you can get it straight to somebody you know has some reptile credentials.
Best wishes.

 

[tricksterpup]

I do agree with Vinman on his words even though they are harsh. It happens, I had a snake escape and was found dead 2 weeks later. Not sure due to dehydration or Cats on the prowl. It happens. Some times young snakes die, I wouldn't blame the vet or anyone else. It just happens. One of the main problems with Herps and people tend to forget this, unlike mammals. they look great and act healthy when they are in terrible shape. Only when an animal is on its death bed does it start to really show and by this time its usually to late.

Here is an idea for future reference. I typically suggest all newbies join a herp club in there area. These groups have a large wealth of knowledge. They can recommend the better vets in your area. They also have specialist in a herp that can help you in case of an emergency or at least to ask questions to. Kinda like this board.

It might be easier and cheaper than taking to a vet. Vinman is absolutely right in those prices. I had an iguana that had to go to the vet, she was an adoption from our herp society and I was working with her to get her healthy. She didnt make it. The vet bill was about $300 for an animal I had less than 3 weeks. All they did was X-rays, the visit and blood tests, and an over night stay. That is why I shake my head when someone all ways recommend a vet.

Its a costly venture, so in the future keep an eye on your pets, keep them healthy and in a good proper cage always locked.

 

[Roy Munson]

I'm sorry but absolutely every 'point' vinman made could have been done in a far better way, I mean come on this isn't exactly the first time is it? Intentions matter no amount, the end doesn't justify the means and as said at the beginning there is absolutely no reason why all of those views couldn't have been worded in a polite way, so as to advise rather than stamp on somebody that is obviously upset about what happened, kicking people when they're down is the lowest of lows.
Besides all that, what's done is done linzxxx and all you can do is what all of us have done at some point and take it on the chin, remember for next time but one thing i do suggest is doing a little search around for local vets that are known for their good treatments, perhaps someone here may be able to send you in the right direction? I found the current vet i use through a friend and he's a god-send, hopefully there's one near you that somebody knows of. This way should you have any problems or questions you can get it straight to somebody you know has some reptile credentials.
Best wishes.

I don't disagree with your points. I have never mistaken Vinny for a diplomat. But I think you're being a little harsh on him too. No B.S., I'm saddened by linz's incident. I'll bet that it saddens Vin too. You should keep in mind that we aren't all engaged in this hobby in the same way. I have many snakes, but few of them are pets. Snake deaths are sad to me, but they prompt a need to analyze more than they cause true grief.

To be honest, I was thinking the things that Vin posted before he posted them. And although I wouldn't say that he was kicking a person who was down, I avoided posting my thoughts for fear of making this very impression. I feel that Vinny's views were instructive to anyone who stumbles across this thread later, and that alone makes me regret the sense of diplomacy that prevented me from speaking my own mind.

With that regret in mind, I'd like to say:

We all make mistakes, but improper enclosure security is one of the biggest mistakes that a snake keeper can make. I'm always baffled by how few people on this forum are confronted for allowing escapes. I can't recall a single incident. My own sense of diplomacy has prevented me from bringing this up in those threads. But I wonder how many escapes may have been prevented if this "don't kick them when they're down" mentality did not exist. :shrugs:

 

[v_various]

uhh....

I wouldn't always recomend a vet for every case. But when you don't know, as in the op's case, and an animal might be hurt/sick, why would taking an animal to the vet be a bad idea? Vets went to school and learned all about keeping animals healthy. It's their job, it's what we pay them for. This vet did the wrong thing, but the op obviously only cares about her animal and wants to keep it safe. She did the right tihng, taking animals to a vet isn't a 'risk'.

I'm suprised so many people are telling her it was her fault, I really don't think it was at all. If I thought for a second there was something wrong with my boys that I didn't know how to fix, you better believe I'd be talking to the closest reptile savy person I know, weather a reptile rescue, club, or vet. The Op obviously had only the vet to talk to.

I guess what's done is done. In the future it might be a good idea to get to know some breeders, reptile clubs, and rescues in your area (if there are any in you area).

 

[Nanci]

I'm sorry to hear about your snake...

I have a friend, who I recommended take her ailing hatchling boxie to my vet. The turtle died during the visit. She swears my vet killed her turtle, and trotted out a couple other vets who said they wouldn't have treated that way. She wonders how can I continue to see that vet? I contend- the turtle was too far gone when she FINALLY took it in. I mean- who has to "wake up" a baby turtle? The stress of the visit did it in. Stuff happens. Vets can't save everyone.

Interestingly, I was reading an article about vet malpractice while waiting at Jake's and Zee's last apointment. I can't recall the four things that have to happen- one was financial damage, though. Which I think is why, if your animal dies at the vet, you often don't get charged. But all you can get awarded, anyway, is the cost of a replacement- nothing for suffering or whatever.

I'm so sorry for your loss.

Nanci

 

[v_various]

oh well, ya

It's 100% the ops fault the snake got out. I don't understand either, my dad laughed at me and my baby snake in a 33gal with two clips on a heavy metal screen lid AND a lugage strap around the centre. But FinFang is SAFE.

I'm just saying vets are better than "hey, my snake might be in trouble, I think I will do nothing".

 

[Vinman]

I think the OP has realised by now that something went wrong, don't you? This person isn't a long established member here, it is completely understandable that she wanted the opinion of a veterinary professional over those of faceless strangers on the internet. I'm sorry, but IMO your post was tactless and unneccessary.

I'm sorry but absolutely every 'point' vinman made could have been done in a far better way, I mean come on this isn't exactly the first time is it? Intentions matter no amount, the end doesn't justify the means and as said at the beginning there is absolutely no reason why all of those views couldn't have been worded in a polite way, so as to advise rather than stamp on somebody that is obviously upset about what happened, kicking people when they're down is the lowest of lows.
Besides all that, what's done is done linzxxx and all you can do is what all of us have done at some point and take it on the chin, remember for next time but one thing i do suggest is doing a little search around for local vets that are known for their good treatments, perhaps someone here may be able to send you in the right direction? I found the current vet i use through a friend and he's a god-send, hopefully there's one near you that somebody knows of. This way should you have any problems or questions you can get it straight to somebody you know has some reptile credentials.
Best wishes.

This is for both of you Plissken and UKCryptid

no one was kicking anyone down ,I just told it like it is , thats all I even posted that it may be a little harsh but it is the truth. If you know me then you should know when I'm being mean. Sorry that you view the world in rose colored glasses. I'm pretty blunt and to the piont. I dont need to beat around the bush. I live in the real world. Life is not nice, it is hard, heavy, mean and unfair at times . The advice I gave is that of my 20 years + of exp. dealing with health issues in herps. I dont need to wright 5 sentances to say what I can say in one. She asked if the vet killed her snake. I told her . So what if I provided more info so other people could learn what to do if this happens to them. I left my phone number so anyone can call if they had a problem. This aint the first time I have posted my number if people wanted help. I never seen you do that for your mates over there in the UK. If you were smart you might have learned something from this thread. Now go
pick on someone else.

By the way if anyone wants to re hydrate a snake and it is not drinking or it is very dehydrated you can leave it in a dehile cup with a very thin layer of water and a cover on it with four small air holes in it so the animal can breath. The snake can absorbe water through the colaca.

Thanx to all that have the intelingance to know that I was helping and just telling the truth.

 

[Plissken]

This aint the first time I have posted my number if people wanted help. I never seen you do that for your mates over there in the UK. If you were smart you might have learned something from this thread. Now go
pick on someone else.

Thanx to all that have the intelingance to know that I was helping and just telling the truth.

Because I don't post my private contact details up here for the whole world to see, I'm not smart enough? Don't be ridiculous. My posts aren't worthless just because I don't post the exact same things you do.

You're starting to sound a little rude Vinman. I'm not unintelligent because I don't like the manner in which you posted something. This is a discussion forum. Don't post if you're going to attack people who discuss your points.

 

[Vinman]

Because I don't post my private contact details up here for the whole world to see, I'm not smart enough? Don't be ridiculous. My posts aren't worthless just because I don't post the exact same things you do.

You're starting to sound a little rude Vinman. I'm not unintelligent because I don't like the manner in which you posted something. This is a discussion forum. Don't post if you're going to attack people who discuss your points.

#1 that dont make sence, I posted my number so people in this country can call for instant help. I dont see you putting yourself out like that for your people in the uk.

#2 never said you were stupid . Just said if you were smart then you might have learned something . As in what to do if the same thing happend to you.
It is obvious that you have a problem with comprehension but your right I'm being rude like you .

your post was tactless and unneccessary

Sorry but it was you attacked people ( ME ) who know what they are talking about. It is your post that was tactless and unneccessary,. My post just got right to the point with some good info in what to do if this happens to another person.

 

[UKCryptid]

Sorry Roy, but I think that's nonsense to be honest, diplomacy doesn't mean holding back on what you want to say, it means putting into a constructive context by which the listener can learn without feeling somebody elses views are being enforced upon them. A quick example of how a diplomatic reply including details of not going to the vets could be:
"That's such a shame, this is why I always recommend to people to give found escapees the chance to rest a few days and rehydrate, after which point they normally make a full recovery."

Now look at that, the exact same point made but in a way that i certainly wouldnt mind being told it. I find it a little disturbing to be honest that people seem to agree with how he worded his post, agree with the points by all means but people saying they agree with the method just kinda adds worry that this is all too common for newcomers to have to put up with (it happened to me on my first arrival here to). Anyway i guess it's pointless discussing it to be honest, you yourself Roy obviously agree with him for some reason and nothing will change that, i only hope that your agreement with that kind of attitute problem doesn't hinder you from helping, as a mod, any newcomers that find themselves on the bad end of people like vinmans so called 'advice'. I think the poster has learned two lessons here, the first being to check all available information before contacting a vet (calling a vet straight away still isnt bad imho), the second lesson learned is that if you post about an unfortunate incident on this forum then expect to get the blame for it whether it could be helped or not.

 

[UKCryptid]

I never seen you do that for your mates over there in the UK. If you were smart you might have learned something from this thread. Now go
pick on someone else.
Thanx to all that have the intelingance to know that I was helping and just telling the truth.

How pathetic, this is what i mean, such an attitude, having to move into insults because people dont agree with you. Secondly, i have given my number to many uk people that need assistance, what are you going on about?

 

[Plissken]

#2 never said you were stupid . Just said if you were smart then you might have learned something .

Clearly you do not think I am smart, so the principle remains exactly the same.

Sorry but it was you attacked people ( ME ) who know what they are talking about. It is your post that was tactless and unneccessary,. My post just got right to the point with some good info in what to do if this happens to another person.

You think telling me I have a 'problem with comprehension' is NOT tactless, never mind downright rude?

Calling a post unneccesary is not an attack nor is it rude. I don't honestly care one bit how much experience you claim to have with cornsnakes. I'm not new to snakes and I'm not an idiot, my opinion simply differs to yours. Why does that trouble you so much?

Your attitude towards people on this thread has been poor. I'm not going to continue this as you can't seem to discuss this maturely with me. If you must have the last word, send me a PM. The people on this forum do not want to read this.

 

[kentuckycorns]

Vinman,

I agree, completely with everything you have said and how you have said it. It really is a shame that an experienced herper like yourself cannot simply try to give some advice without being flamed. I too have had snakes and other herps for as far back as i can remember, but i still consider myself a novice. I have nowhere near the amount of experience as vin and it looks like the people giving him a hard time dont either, chill out!! he was just being honest. (another observation, it appears that everyone who has had a problem with his post is from a different country. WOW what a suprise! thank god im from the US!! long live the confederacy!!! :flames:

 

[UKCryptid]

Vinman,

I agree, completely with everything you have said and how you have said it. It really is a shame that an experienced herper like yourself cannot simply try to give some advice without being flamed. I too have had snakes and other herps for as far back as i can remember, but i still consider myself a novice. I have nowhere near the amount of experience as vin and it looks like the people giving him a hard time dont either, chill out!! he was just being honest. (another observation, it appears that everyone who has had a problem with his post is from a different country. WOW what a suprise! thank god im from the US!! long live the confederacy!!! :flames:

Why the hell make this racist? There's always a fool out there that has to take low even lower, not even bothering with this now but that statement is a disgrace and shows that there is no talking to people like you, racist fool.