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Golden corns

Mark Dwight

Mark Dwight

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I've noticed Carsten Zoldy has put his golden corns and hets up for sale over on kingsnake. What are your thoughts on these? Some have said they look like anerys and some think they are caramels. What do you guys think?
 
I don't know anything about them. Sounds like there is some kind of story here. I'll have to research it later.
 
The Golden corn would be a good investment for someone who had the 3K to spare
The story on the for sale ad is pretty accurate- the original female was found w/c and the owner is always overseas and family has had some mishaps in trying to breed project. It could have been the next big thing years ago if the right breeder had reproduced and marketed them. I'm not so sure how the market would react to them now with this economy, but if I had the $ I would get them!
 
If I had the experience... I'd be afraid at this point that I'd screw up an amazing project. But man, I hope he finds someone to take them. They look spectacular.
 
I'd pay the $3k... if it wasn't also for 14 animals. That is far too many for me to absorb into the collection and house in addition to the ones I already have.
 
It will be interesting to see if/who/where this project ends up. He has also made mention of selling the 1.1 "golden" offspring and het pairs if the project doesn't get bought outright.
 
I don't have room for 14 snakes or 3K to invest so I can only hope they go to someone on here that takes lots of pics of them. I'm curious what the 2 Golden offspring look like since it sounds like they don't look like the mom.
I'm kinda hoping one person buys the whole lot even if it can't be me. Wish I was rich and could take the gamble.
 
If the whole project isn't sold to a single individual, I am actually first in line for the 1.1 visuals.
 
Oh I hope you are able to get them Megan. I know that you have been wanting to get into that project for a while now.
 
That is sure a project that has gone nowhere, by running into roadblocks at every turn. It would be nice to see something happen with it.
 
Has anyone seen pics of the visuals other than the original mother? That's the only shot i've seen, and yes I'm curious as to what he meant by 'different'. Since he mentioned color variants I assumed a slightly different shade.
 
It's a shame the original female has died. I would be hesitant to jump into the project without the ability to breed back to her, since he said the "golden" offspring do not look like her.

The original capture area is not far from me. :D Hmmm....
 
Would have to assume the buyer, if either buying all of them or piecemeal, would see pics beforehand. I don't ever remember seeing any other pics, but Carston only posted on KS afaik, and very infrequently at that.
 
The male golden
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1.1 goldens
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If I understand correctly, the original female Golden Corn was bred to a male that was caught in the same general area. If two of the offspring from that breeding were Golden, it would seem to me that the male was not a het, since 50% of the offspring would be Golden if that were the case. Instead two were determined to be Golden, though they had a somewhat different "look" than their mother. So I would think that this is a co-dom trait like Miami or Okeetee and not a simple recessive genetic trait.
 
That project reminds me a lot like the female Alabama, Mica, only she has the grey metallic ground color.

There's a few of the metallic grey females out there, & there have yet to be any grey metallic males found. The males have all been more of a copper/bronze color.

It would be a cool project to work with, as the Alabama project, but I would not pay that much money to buy into something like that.

Edit to add: that is just my theory on it.
 
I thought the 2 visuals currently came from a het to het breeding, or possibly a het male back to Mom, i'd have to look back at the post? I'm fairly certain they didn't come from a male wild caught to mom, i believe that is what was used for the first gen of hets.

On the pics, Mom was obviously the most striking of all of them, she was literally a metallic gold and silver. Is the morph variable, or does it intensify with age (assuming the about pics were taken young).

The project is a gamble anyway you look at it, but it also looks like a lot of fun anyway you look at it as well.
 
I thought the 2 visuals currently came from a het to het breeding, or possibly a het male back to Mom,
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You're right. I was wrong in my understanding of the situation, but the same idea still applies. In the ad it says:

I bred her to another male found only 200 yards from her in the following year. After this breeding, I bred one of her offspring males back to the mother to determine if the "Golden" gene is a simple recessive trait. This breeding produced two more golden corns, and many hets. (The interesting thing is that neither one of the golden corns look like their mother).

If it was a simple recessive genetic trait, the odds are he would not have gotten two goldens and many hets - he would have gotten half goldens and half hets.

Since neither of the surviving goldens look like their mother (which is no longer alive) I'd conclude that this is not a simple recessive genetic trait.

I'd expect similar results if a Miami or Okeetee phase were bred to a normal corn.

Tim
 
Tim. I bred an anery het amel to a ghost het amel. 16 eggs resulted and all hatched. I had 15 aneries and a single snow.

Last year I bred an amel het anery to the ghost het amel. I got 15 eggs. I hatched out 4 aneries, 4 snows, and 7 amels. Not a *single* normal.

I bred my charcoal to a butter this year. The first clutch had 18 eggs. All hatched. I got normals and amels. A second clutch was laid and a single egg made it to hatching. That hatchling was a butter.

Murphy crashes on my couch, screwing with odds.
 
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