"Guns are the cause"

[Outcast]

According to this guy ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/10/AR2011011006308.html ) guns are to blame for the recent tragic shooting in Arizona.

And then we have Rev. Robert Moore basically blaming the NRA for this horrible event. http://www.dailyrecord.com/article/20110116/OPINION03/110112047/Time-to-get-tough-with-NRA


Here is where Democrat Frank R. Lautenberg Senator, NJ has given his idea's about the situation. http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/01/12/lautenberg.high.capacity.clips/index.html

Democrats are not the only ones against guns, Rep. Pete King (R-N.Y.) http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...-with-gun-bill-despite-gop-leaders-opposition Though this will only cause some issues for the people paid to protect the congressmen and women, in my opinion.

This one shows a couple of "good" idea's, I wouldn't mind only being able to buy 1 gun a month or having to wait 28 days to purchase a handgun, and also a little bit more in depth background check. But, I do not support the banning of anything. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2013930623_kristof14.html


The similar theme to most, if not all of these, is that Guns are to blame for the shooting, and therefore should be either banned all together, or parts of them should be banned. Do I see a reason to own a 33 round magazine? Not personally, but I do not see the reason to ban it, because people out there probably use them in order to get more proficient with firing their gun without the hassle of reloading.

I own 5 guns right now, and plan on adding another hunting rifle to my collection in the future. I have a Taurus Judge .45 LC/ 410 shotgun, a SigSauer P228 9mm, a Great Plains Rifle (kit) .54 Cal Black Powder, a .410 shot gun (that was given to me when I was 10 by my father), and a 20 gauge shot gun (given to me when I was 12 by my uncle). Oh, and a pellet gun.

Am I dangerous with a gun in my hands? Yes, but I know how, when, and where to shoot.
Do I ever want to shoot another person? No, but I know that I can if it means protecting my family and friends. War shows you a side of yourself, that is sometimes very scary and hard to deal with.

Will I ever support the banning of anything gun related? Not unless it is the banning of clinically unstable people being able to buy guns.

What happened in Arizona was horrible, and tragic. One unstable man took it on himself to shoot a lot of people, and now as things are starting to calm down from the jump to blame Palin, there are people that are starting to blame the tool that he chose to use to as his weapon.
It is hard to believe that instead of blaming the dangerous man behind the gun, they are blaming the gun.

 

[mike17l]

Looks like you are due for a black gun. cheaperthandirt.com has 5.56 ammo for less than $7 a 20 round box right now.

 

[Outcast]

Nice, I haven't been to Cheaperthandirt.com since I bought the great plains rifle back in 2008...lol, I think I would like to add a Black Powder pistol and a Flintlock rifle/psitol to my collection as well. I like historical looking guns.

The rifle that I really want to get is a Dragunov, those are pretty interesting. Though having one fired at you from a river bank in Afghanistan, is not interesting at all... Especially when you cannot find the guy doing the shooting.

 

[Chip]

The second amendment is pretty clear on this. I'll never understand what gets banned in "assault weapons" bills, they pick the scary-looking ones over the ones that could do the most damage. I don't even know off the top of my head how many guns I currently own, just that it's less than cornsnakes!

 

[Tavia]

I have always hated this blame the tool argument too. I can see sensible regulations, but the wholesale blame of almost all evil on the gun itself, to me, is both stupid and a way to dodge having to deal with the real problems, which are why do people kill people? That one is very complex, not likely to be fixed fast or easily, if totally at all and so lots of people prefer to ignore it and argue over guns instead.

 

[Nanci]

This one shows a couple of "good" idea's, I wouldn't mind only being able to buy 1 gun a month or having to wait 28 days to purchase a handgun, and also a little bit more in depth background check.

I would mind. What's the point? What if I got a big tax refund, and wanted to go to a gun show and splurge? What if I had an unexpected windfall, and wanted to buy a new gun Monday (or Friday) for a tournament on Saturday? What if a gun I shot with broke, and was sent in for service, and I felt like I needed an immediate replacement, for a match or for personal protection???

I underwent the extensive scrutiny and background check that allows me the privilege to buy a gun with no waiting period, but a phone call is _still_ made, at the point of sale, to make sure that status hasn't changed.

Some people feel that any restriction AT ALL is a violation of their second amendment rights. That requiring a permit is a statement by government that if you do not have a permit, you don't have the right to carry a gun.

 

[Dreamsnake]

It is easy to blame society's problems on a tool instead of the true issues of human relations. I do not this new politically charged right vs. left climate we are currently in. True issues are not being resolved because everyone must be angry all the time. I only want to my sons to go to collage and not war, but I see a war coming to this country. A war that can be avoided, but I do not think it will be.

As far as instructing the youth on proper gun knowledge and use, my seven year old's training has begun. My husband planned on doing this sooner, but the child's maturity was not ready until now.

 

[Nanci]

My gun club offered to bring the Eddie Eagle gun safety program to the elementary schools in the area and the parents were horrified, and refused. So they'd rather pretend guns don't exist than have their young children know the proper procedure to follow if they come across a gun. Nice. You can control what happens in your own home, mostly, but you can't control what happens when your child goes to a friend's house, or to school, or out on the playground.

 

[snakewispera snr]

I've mentioned this before... And I understand your reasoning for thinking that you should own guns, but......
The ease which you can get guns could be the problem.... We have gun crimes but they are few and far between, because we can't just go and buy guns... And we are limited to the type of guns we can own.... Plus we have to have a valid reason to own a gun and somewhere to shoot the gun....
In a modern society is there any reason to have umpteen guns?
I know you are going to come out with the right to bear arms, but that was written years ago when the people had a chance of defending themselves against troops being placed on the streets.... But unless you can afford a stealth bomber, the 'enemy' can now easily out gun you, so that amendment is really obsolete now...
And we haven't even mentioned nutters who get hold of guns yet.....

 

[susang]

I am pro guns and a demorat yee gads what I don't understand at least in this state is. I jump through the hoops get a hand gun permit lalala, then I can turn around and sell it to whomever I choose no strings, no hoops.

 

[Hypancistrus]

In a modern society is there any reason to have umpteen guns?

I don't own any guns, though I used to shoot recreationally in college. I will, however, fight to my last breath for the right of (responsible and law abiding) others to keep guns, and I would hope that said brothers and sisters would fight for my right to be free, pursue happiness and enjoy my life to the fullest.

 

[snakewispera snr]

I don't own any guns, though I used to shoot recreationally in college. I will, however, fight to my last breath for the right of (responsible and law abiding) others to keep guns, and I would hope that said brothers and sisters would fight for my right to be free, pursue happiness and enjoy my life to the fullest.

Tell that to a 9 yo girl who met a nutter, who had his right to own a gun upheld.....
This is one thing that Brits will never get their heads around....
If you gave up guns, within a generation your country would wonder what the hell you were thinking of when you thought they were a good idea.

 

[Tavia]

One of the problems with banning guns in America, say for instance that all private guns were made illegal and all law abiding citizens were required to surrender whatever guns they had and go even further afield and say all the "law-abiding" people really did agree to to give up their guns, a lot of which are unregistered. For one thing, the people most likely already to commit crimes, the criminals who own guns, aren't going to surrender theirs. Then you have the problem of what to do with all of these surrendered guns? I read an article awhile ago that said America had the most guns per inhabitant of any other nation, it worked out to 9 guns to every 10 people, with India being the next closest with only 4 to every 10 people. Even if it's decided to destroy all of those guns they would need to be transported and stored somewhere for at least a little while. If such a big whole in the market for guns opened up, how long do you think it would take for the black market to fill the gap? How hard do you think it would be to divert a large number of these supposed surrendered guns?
How is America's War on Drugs going? Does anyone really think they would do that much better with The War on Guns?

 

[whippet]

Tell that to a 9 yo girl who met a nutter, who had his right to own a gun upheld.....
This is one thing that Brits will never get their heads around....
If you gave up guns, within a generation your country would wonder what the hell you were thinking of when you thought they were a good idea.

If the law abiding citizens give up their guns...the only ones with guns will be criminals. *shrugs*

I don't personally have one in my current home, mainly because Maryland makes it so difficult to own one. But I tecnically own two at my parents house. A antique rifle and a handgun. I am responsible with both. My parents have well....quite a few guns. They don't hunt and rarely shoot them at all, and many are just collectable, but I like that they have the right to own them and carry if need be. How else would we shoot down the mistletoe at christmas?
Guns don't kill people... people kill people. I firmly believe this. I have been exposed to loaded weapons my entire life. I have never been tempted to mow down anyone nor play with them and shoot myself. I belive it's not teaching and exposing kids that leads to trouble.
So we shall go with one more bumper sticker from me...
You can pry the gun from my cold dead hand!

 

[snakewispera snr]

One of the problems with banning guns in America, say for instance that all private guns were made illegal and all law abiding citizens were required to surrender whatever guns they had and go even further afield and say all the "law-abiding" people really did agree to to give up their guns, a lot of which are unregistered. For one thing, the people most likely already to commit crimes, the criminals who own guns, aren't going to surrender theirs. Then you have the problem of what to do with all of these surrendered guns? I read an article awhile ago that said America had the most guns per inhabitant of any other nation, it worked out to 9 guns to every 10 people, with India being the next closest with only 4 to every 10 people. Even if it's decided to destroy all of those guns they would need to be transported and stored somewhere for at least a little while. If such a big whole in the market for guns opened up, how long do you think it would take for the black market to fill the gap? How hard do you think it would be to divert a large number of these supposed surrendered guns?
How is America's War on Drugs going? Does anyone really think they would do that much better with The War on Guns?

Excuses for not changing are all too common....
Guns are only scrape metal, and you deal with that daily...
And a wind down as opposed to an out right 'give up' would be easier in mopping up the excess....
I can see that some want a rifle to hunt or a small arm for target shooting....
Rich z on the other hand had 5 Barrett .50 calibre.... Whats he planning on hunting, Dinosaurs...
Make them illegal and bring in an amnesty to surrender them... Then use the weight of the law to cane people who don't play ball.

 

[starsevol]

Tell that to a 9 yo girl who met a nutter, who had his right to own a gun upheld.....
This is one thing that Brits will never get their heads around....
If you gave up guns, within a generation your country would wonder what the hell you were thinking of when you thought they were a good idea.

He may have had the right to own a gun, but he did not have the right to shoot a 9 year old girl.
Since when is owning a gun and shooting a 9 year old girl the same thing?

 

[starsevol]

Excuses for not changing are all too common....
Guns are only scrape metal, and you deal with that daily...
And a wind down as opposed to an out right 'give up' would be easier in mopping up the excess....
I can see that some want a rifle to hunt or a small arm for target shooting....
Rich z on the other hand had 5 Barrett .50 calibre.... Whats he planning on hunting, Dinosaurs...
Make them illegal and bring in an amnesty to surrender them... Then use the weight of the law to cane people who don't play ball.

The question begs asking...what does anyone need a 10 foot python for? What possible use do they have? They are dangerous in the wrong hands. Why not ban them? Why does anyone need one?

 

[Tavia]

But that is the point, you can go through a whole lot of trouble and upheaval to get rid of guns, which may or may not work but until you can do something about the people or the reasons people go on a rampage and kill lots of other people, you won't have fixed the problem. Now they can't get a gun? All right, hop on the Internet and find out how to build a bumb with household chemicals and go blow up a bunch of people. People have been finding all kinds of ways to kill other people since long before guns were around and they aren't going to stop until to reasons that they have for doing it aren't there anymore. That would be a way more profitable way to waste time and money on.

 

[snakewispera snr]

The question begs asking...what does anyone need a 10 foot python for? What possible use do they have? They are dangerous in the wrong hands. Why not ban them? Why does anyone need one?

Come on that isn't even a valid argument.... A 10ft python or even a lion is a pet.... You would hardly get some loon taking one out with the intention of killing people..... Like I said... Excuses and reasons can be generated by the desperate.... And a 10 ft python has never killed a Brit so where does that make them dangerous....?

 

[snakewispera snr]

TBH..... I'm stepping away from your problem as being a Brit, it's a no brainer to us.....
No guns or harder access to them would make the problem so much smaller.....