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How pure must a corn be to be truely pure?

hikisquid said:
Awwww but I was having fun. :(

*goes back to drawing plans for a robot guard snake*
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That my friend, may in fact be the least controversial idea here and the least likely to result in a personal attack towards ones sources, use of color

While one can argue all day long that one can never know some things as facts.... like whether or not a god exists, or whether some or all ultra corns inherited their ultra gene from a ratsnake.....
"The founder (discoverer) of the Ultra mutation states that he originally paired a grey rat snake with a corn snake, in the discovery of this mutation. By the time most of us were made aware of the HYBRID origins of Ultra types (originally named Ultra Hypos), we had already bred it into many other corn snake mutations. It was therefore collectively decided that in so much as it would be virtually impossible to track down (and eliminate) each and every snake containing the Ultra gene (surely thousands of individuals in the collections of hundreds of breeders and keepers), the mutation would be treated like other pure corns." http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/ultra.php

While we may not be able to take the above as fact, it is posted on a prominent web site that many reference here.

"History: There is alot of contraversity surrounding the Ultra hypo on whether it is a pure cornsnake or a hybrid Cornsnake crossed with a Grey Ratsnake, Pantherophis obsoletus spiloides. The original snake that started this line was wild caught in Hillsborough County, Tampa, Florida; by whom no one is sure but this animal came into the possesion of Mike Falcon in the early 90's. He described the snake as having unusual colouration, with very little black and was very yellow. Mike Falcon has said that he bred the original 'Ultra' Corn to both Normal Corns and to a Snow x Grey/Corn cross. It would then appear that there are Ultra's out there that are of hybrid origin and those that are pure. A long debate on this, and one that tries to unravel both the history and inheritance of this cultivar can be found on Cornsnakes.com. The Ultra history is very patchy and probably will never be known for sure. " http://www.ratsnakefoundation.org/in...ltra-cornsnake

Again, we could debate that this is not a fact, that corn snakes were not bred to ratsnakes containing the ultra gene... but an admission of fact that is on a prominent website... you would think this would be removed if this were not true. Why admit to this?
 
Why haven't people been able to reproduce the Ultra results by crossing corns and grey rats?

And posting the same quotes twice doesn't make them true...
 
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My brain hurts reading this and this is all that pops into my head...
 
But airenlow it does make it true if you keep repeating it over and over again!!

I know that the owner of this forum, who was breeding at the time, said that Mike guy only changed his story after getting out of the business or selling it for cheap. He was mad and as a result changed his story. I can't remember exactly and you can use the search feature to find the threads. He is of the opinion that they are not hybrids.
 
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