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I think Murphy is being very cruel to me! Need your thoughts/opinions

FunkyRes said:
It sounds to me like the snow male is probably homo hypo.
One thing to remember about punnet square ratios - they are only a probability, and while the predicted outcome is the most frequent outcome, you still miss it more often than you hit it, and that is predictable.

I like math - so I'll do some crunches.
With the first pairing producing 12 young - the odds of 12 / 12 homo hypo offspring if your snake is het is 0.00024 (0.024 %). If the clutch was 10 and not 12, the odds of 10 / 10 homo if yours is het is 0.00098 (0.098%) which is still extremely low. So either your snake is homo, the female retained sperm, or the pairing was a fluke.

I would suspect your ghost motley isn't actually hypo (motley can have a hypo effect) - or if it is, it is a different hypo line than your snow male.

We can safely conclude the snow is not Ultra - and we can probably conclude the motley ghost is not Ultra (or else you would have gotten some ultramel this breeding) but it wouldn't surprise me if there are some hypo genes floating around that haven't been identified yet. There's also sunkissed and lava, though I believe sunkissed has a pattern modification as well? May be hard to see with the motley in the mix.

My suggestion would be to borrow a male standard hypo and breed it to the motley "ghost" to prove it one way or the other.
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The odds of 12/12 het hypo would be the same...:rolleyes:
 
Well, Boo and Bandit produced NO hypos and only normals and anerys so Matthew and I are pretty sure Boo is actually ultramel. The only other thing I can think of is that Bandit is possibly lava, but seeing as he is a Pet Store snake I highly doubt he's anything other than hypo het. anery. The fun just keeps on coming :D
 
There's always the possibility that Bandit is a different form of Hypo like Lava maybe? Not REALLY sure how to tell the visible difference between the two. The hypos are too darn similar for me :headbang:
 
Pruddock said:
There's always the possibility that Bandit is a different form of Hypo like Lava maybe? Not REALLY sure how to tell the visible difference between the two. The hypos are too darn similar for me :headbang:
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Or christmas, or some other hypo. Who knows!! My guess is probably he's just hypo A and she's ultramel.
 
That's what my guess is too. I got a lot more anerys than normals though which is always a nice added bonus. So most of the clutch was Anery het ultra hypo A which is never a bad thing.:dgrin:
 
Pruddock said:
That's what my guess is too. I got a lot more anerys than normals though which is always a nice added bonus. So most of the clutch was Anery het ultra hypo A which is never a bad thing.:dgrin:
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Actually, they're het for ultra OR amel (assuming boo is in fact an ultramel).
 
Yeah I'm still not 100% clear on the ultra gene so I said ultra instead of ultramel. So would they be Normal/Anery het ultamel hypo or Normal/Anery het ultra, hypo ph amel?
 
Pruddock said:
Yeah I'm still not 100% clear on the ultra gene so I said ultra instead of ultramel. So would they be Normal/Anery het ultamel hypo or Normal/Anery het ultra, hypo ph amel?
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That's still not quite right. Ultra and amel share the same locus, i.e. they're mutations on the same gene. So an ultramel has one copy that is for ultra and one copy that is for amel. It can donate only one copy from that locus. So an ultramel will donate either the ultra or the amel. So you can never have an animal the is het for ultramel. It will either be het for one or the other, but not both.

So in your case, assuming Boo is an ultramel, she would have donated either amel OR ultra. So the resulting offspring are het for either ultra or amel. They are definitely het for one of them, but not both. The only way to tell is test breedings.
 
Ok that is what I had in my head, I just wasn't sure how to describe them on here or my website when I decided how many/if I'm going to sell many of them.
 
Ultras in PA

I know that Jeff Yohe is in Pa and has had Ultras for many years. That is where mine came from about 5 years ago.
Steph - Do you know Jeff...e post on the site . Short fellow with gray hair.
 
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