interest in het normals

[countMEout]

I eventually would start a project with a friend of mine. Myself having an amel and he a ghost we have interest in breeding them. As we know all the offspring will be normals but triple het amel, anerythistic A, hypo so my question is would people be interested in purchasing normals that are triple het or would people no one be interested due to being normal. I thought knowing you are getting 100% triple het would be cool but then again I am a newb. multiple replies would be sweet as I doubt someone would by 15 baby normals at whatever date I start my project thanks everyone.

 

[DAND]

Buying hets is a cheaper than buying the actual morph. Some will opt for the cheaper way while others will go with the actual morph. Also, you still have the possibility of hidden traits in either one of the breeders. You'll never know what will hatch out sometimes.

 

[cka]

Hets would be a nice way to outcross a line with new blood, too...You could advertise those babies as het Snow Ghosts, or just as het Corals...

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Hets would be a nice way to outcross a line with new blood, too...You could advertise those babies as het Snow Ghosts, or just as het Corals...

And their we go to the discussion of the right and wrong way to label hets. Do you think it is wise to label them as such without explaining the genetics? Someone looking at that is going to get rather confused once they find out that in truth the animals are het amel, anerythistic A and hypo. With those to multi hets paired, you can get normals, Amels, Anery As, Snows, Hypos, Amel Hypos, Ghosts and Snow Hypos. Wouldn't, when that clutched hatched, they be asking "why in the hell did I get this mix of different morphs?" I hate it when people sell animals as "het snow" or "het opal." It confuses those new to the hobby.

countMEout, sell them as what they are...het amel, anerythistic A and hypo. On the question of interest...it may take you longer to sell the whole clutch, but I myself like to purchase multi het animals to breed into my stock.

 

[Joejr14]

Hets would be a nice way to outcross a line with new blood, too...You could advertise those babies as het Snow Ghosts, or just as het Corals...

What the hell is a 'Snow Ghost'? Come on now! Adding hypo A into a snow does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Hypo reduces black---and snows have NO black in them. Aye yi yi, this is getting ridiculous here with this mislabeling of hets.

Do you know what a Coral is? It's a selective bred snow, not a snow hypo or anything else.

I'm really starting to lose it with this crap.

Advertise your animals exactly as they are, normals het amelenistic, anerthrystic a, and hypo A.

 

[Drizzt80]

Interesting that you would 'freak out' on the labeling of a snake. Since, I believe, Don S. was the first to call his HypoA Snows, Coral Snows. Because his Coral Snows have increased pink and yellow, people have assumed that any pinker yellow snow is a coral snow. CKA is actually right on the money with his name of coral snow since he is referring to a genetic HypoA Snow cornsnake. It's everyone else that has misrepresented their snakes that is causing your anger towards the naming of the snakes. Am I wrong here?

I happen to fully trust and believe that HypoA DOES do something to Snows if you take a look at the pictures of HypoSnow snakes. My trust is based on the knowledge and experience that Don brings to the table. I don't want to speak for him, but just take a look at his animals.

D80

 

[Charlie]

het animals are sometimes a better investment that a animal expressing the gene you want. You have more choice on what to breed it to. I right now in the process of buying a female normal het lavendar, amel. When bred to my male lavendar het amel...I will get normals het for both traits, lavendars het amel, and some opals. With het animals...you get a better variety in the clutch than with just a cross between two of the same morphs. I like het animals better because they are usually cheaper...and they bring in new blood without you having to lose any genes...which happens when outcrossing.

 

[Amanda E]

Come on now! Adding hypo A into a snow does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Do you know what a Coral is? It's a selective bred snow, not a snow hypo or anything else.

Nope. I belive you are wrong there. Yes, some people call selectively bred snows with high pink Corals, but I think that is wrong advertisement. In my opinion, only Hypo Snows should be called Corals. Why Hypo adds a pink blush to animals, I don't know, but it does.



As to answering the original question about hets... I thought I would get decent interest in my Hypos and Normals that are possible Het for Caramel, just because where I live there are very few people working with Caramels. However, in my case it could have to do with the "possible" Het title. I even have them priced fairly low too, at least for the area I live in. By the way, of the Normals and Hypos I produced, not one of the Normals has sold, while a few of the Hypos have.

 

[MADMAN]

What the hell is a 'Snow Ghost'? Come on now! Adding hypo A into a snow does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Hypo reduces black---and snows have NO black in them. Aye yi yi, this is getting ridiculous here with this mislabeling of hets.

Do you know what a Coral is? It's a selective bred snow, not a snow hypo or anything else.

I'm really starting to lose it with this crap.

Advertise your animals exactly as they are, normals het amelenistic, anerthrystic a, and hypo A.

well i would love to know what this stuff means hep hets hyps morphs geez man, amazing how it affected you when some of us especially me are still trying to figure this stuff out without asking first like

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like the avatar of mine should i care wether it is a hype or a hep or a morph

all i know is it is a MP cornsnake thats 3-4 year old female what else should i know about her? other than she is a snake!

 

[Hurley]

What the hell is a 'Snow Ghost'? Come on now! Adding hypo A into a snow does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Hypo reduces black---and snows have NO black in them. Aye yi yi, this is getting ridiculous here with this mislabeling of hets.

Are you sure about this? You may want to ask some of the big boys. Hypo does indeed reduce black, this is true, but that doesn't limit the gene's effect elsewhere. Snows that are homozygous for hypo DO express a higher coral coloration than normal snows from the same stock. Hypo also seems to thin saddle borders...a pattern effect. Add standard hypo to a regular amel, and often times you will produce sunglows or near sunglows, just for that pattern effect alone.

At this point, we DON'T know the mode of action of standard hypo (or any of the other hypos for that matter..except perhaps ultra since it most likely works in a similar manner to amel affecting the tyrosinase gene). For all we know, hypo could be a pattern anomaly involving just melanocytes. This would account for the effect on the saddle borders. Perhaps hypo keeps melanocytes from migrating properly during pattern formation, we don't know. (Seems quite likely.)


Oh yes, on the subject of het lables:

People's practices vary in how they lable hets. Some are gene "purists" and list out genes individually. "Normals het anery, amel, and standard hypo" Some people prefer to shorten the terminology to "Hets for coral snow" or "Hets for hypo and snow" or "Hets for amel and ghost". This isn't WRONG, by the way, it's just different. The genes are accurately represented to anyone who has bothered to learn about corn mutations and morphs. Neither side is wrong or right, you go with what you think best represents your animals in a way pleasing to you. I personally would love to just lable animals with their individual gene hets, but the majority out there will pass up an amel het charcoal to buy an amel het blizzard for $10 bucks more. So lable them both ways, or one way or the other. You will never make it understandable to 100% of the population...and there is nothing you can do about it except to teach as many as you can. I personally will list them both ways. It's nice when it stimulates someone looking at the lables to ask and learn.

 

[Charlie]

You will never make it understandable to 100% of the population...and there is nothing you can do about it except to teach as many as you can. I personally will list them both ways. It's nice when it stimulates someone looking at the lables to ask and learn.

I think Hurley makes a great point...

There isn't a right or wrong way to do it. It is 100% personal choice. I personally like to label them anery het hypo, amel, motley. But sometime I do label them anery het snow motley. Doing it both ways does sometimes get people asking and that is the good part. We are here to teach and to be taught to.

 

[MADMAN]

I think Hurley makes a great point...

like to label them anery het hypo, amel, motley. But sometime I do label them anery het snow motley.

but i still don't know what this means laymen terminology would be nice

 

[pcar]

but i still don't know what this means laymen terminology would be nice

Het is short for Hetrozygous...Which means that the snake is carrying the gene for something but not showing the effects of the gene. Stated another way, a Normal Het for Amel can be broken down like this: normal is a dominate gene, and Amel is recessive. When a recessive and Dominant are put together, you will always see the Dominate, but the snake will be able to pass the Recessive to offspring.

You really don't need to know this info unless you are planning to breed your snakes. But sometimes, it is still nice to know.

Hope that this helps a little.

 

[MADMAN]

i did plan on using my miami phase to breed but not myself rather with the reptile store i purchased her from

so what you are saying is that my miami phase has a dominent gene (guessing it is miami phase and it is carrying a ressesive gene that would be unknown , assumption)

now depending on what i breed her with can we know what was dominent

so if is with a butter or a snow or whatever no one knows until the final product hatches?

 

[MADMAN]

ok i did a little research ...

according to all these amel het and talk like that , My miami phase is basically a normal corn with the difference being the silver background she has the black pigments and red saddles and stuff

i can take some slose up shots of her so maybe you could tell me for sure?

and where might i post this?

 

[pcar]

If you have questions about Genetics or Morphs, then you will want to post them and any pictures in the Genetics/morphs forum.

 

[Joejr14]

Apologize. Wasn't aware a coral had hypo in it. I jumped the gun on that one.

I still dont like the term Snow Ghost, and I dont think it's fair to label things like that.

 

[Joejr14]

ok i did a little research ...

according to all these amel het and talk like that , My miami phase is basically a normal corn with the difference being the silver background she has the black pigments and red saddles and stuff

i can take some slose up shots of her so maybe you could tell me for sure?

and where might i post this?

You have a miami in your avatar, so if that's the pic you're going to show us, no need.

You're correct, a miami is technically a normal, as is an okeetee.

A candycane is an amel, as is a reverse okeetee, as is a flourescent orange.

 

[cka]

And their we go to the discussion of the right and wrong way to label hets. Do you think it is wise to label them as such without explaining the genetics? [QUOTE}

I would hope someone buying them would have sense to ask if they didnt know, but whatever, caveat emptor and wut not :grin01:...Het Coral is sure a lot easier to say than Het anerythristic A, Hypomelanistic A and Amelanism...Plus it sounds better; I like the "names" a lot more than the boring old "what genetics do i carry" terms; it makes for a more appealing sounding sell, too...the original poster was looking for a way to successfully market any offspring he had...Het Corals sounds more marketable. It's up to him to know what a coral, or a butter, an opal or a pewter for that matter (if he is selling them) to be able to explain it...plus the customer shares some responsibility too, but we all know how that goes...there's no right and wrong way, IMHO

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

"I would hope someone buying them would have sense to ask if they didnt know"

but the fact in the matter is...most DON'T...Look how many "het candy cane" and "het okeetee" is flying around...

I just personally believe that it is best to explain the genetics of what I'm selling in the easiest format...Which would be spelling out the genetics...