Snakehead
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Yup!
This is almost exactly what I said. You just said it in less words, lol. Thanks!
This is almost exactly what I said. You just said it in less words, lol. Thanks!
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Miami surprise!
- Thread starter Snakehead
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Snakehead
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That's a nice Wild Type!
This would be considered a keeper if found wild in maimi. Many of the WC have dirty grey backgrounds that really aren't very pretty. At least not to me. This one you have is nice, and will make for some good breeding stock.
This would be considered a keeper if found wild in maimi. Many of the WC have dirty grey backgrounds that really aren't very pretty. At least not to me. This one you have is nice, and will make for some good breeding stock.
Snakehead
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Alabamas have the miami look
I'have caught many miamis that look Alabama so it's hard to tell. Maybe it would be better said that many Alabamas look miami -ish, lol.
Thank you Lexie
I don't want to step on toes, as I have seen comments about Lookatees.
I now have Miami's (one from an unknown breeder, so I do not know what she truely is, but she looks Miami). I also have Alabama's, a WC & 2 from the WC female. I have a male that was listed as a high contrast Miami, but after I got the Alabama's, I'm pretty sure he's more an Alabama than a Miami (I could be wrong, I'm just going by comparing him to my others).
I'd like to see if I can blend the two, as I love the think borders & metallic look of my Alabama's & I love the Miami's.
I'have caught many miamis that look Alabama so it's hard to tell. Maybe it would be better said that many Alabamas look miami -ish, lol.
psychoprimate84
Awesome!
I live in Ocala and there are lots of Miami phase corns around here. That was my very first snake corn ever! She was actually a good looking one too. Then I had caught another one trying to sneak in with some of my mice one evening. I kept it for a while....it ate like a beast! I eventually sold it to a friend tho.
Snakehead
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Cool
Your just a stones throw from me, lol. Yeah I find some really interesting Corns here in Lakw Wales too. I would classify them as Miami types but I am line breeding them for some really nice colors. Here's a couple of them.
Your just a stones throw from me, lol. Yeah I find some really interesting Corns here in Lakw Wales too. I would classify them as Miami types but I am line breeding them for some really nice colors. Here's a couple of them.
Yarmuck
The Poopsmith
I've actually seen a snake very close to what you have that was labeled a "Reverse Miami". :smash: Now before we get into a disagreement about semantics....
The only difference was that the snake I saw had beautiful bright yellow spots where yours had white, and no trace of orange whatsoever.
Its the only time someone talked me out of buying something I want, and I REALLY regret it. My wife does too. I guess that means a "Reverse Miami" is our White Whale.
Anyway, I really look forward to seeing how this one turns out!
The only difference was that the snake I saw had beautiful bright yellow spots where yours had white, and no trace of orange whatsoever.
Its the only time someone talked me out of buying something I want, and I REALLY regret it. My wife does too. I guess that means a "Reverse Miami" is our White Whale.
Anyway, I really look forward to seeing how this one turns out!
MysticExotics
(formerly NWHeather)
Well, after someone mentioned Cany Cane being more likely from a Miami (than Reverse Okeetee), I remembered that my new Miami babies from Carol came from parents that are het Candy Cane, & I think I saw the male listed as het Amel, so that makes sense to me...
MysticExotics
(formerly NWHeather)
Great looking snakes!
psychoprimate84
Awesome!
Aww you do have some pretty snakes! I've had some escapees here (including a male golddust), so who knows what kind of snakes will be showing up around here in the future.
Snakehead
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No arguement here
I am curious as to how these will turn out also. I wish the breeder would have given me some more details on what the genetics are. I took one of his business cards but can't find it. There are two so far and five eggs to go yet.
I am curious as to how these will turn out also. I wish the breeder would have given me some more details on what the genetics are. I took one of his business cards but can't find it. There are two so far and five eggs to go yet.
Snakehead
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Thank you!
Miami Corns and especially Crimsons are my favorite Corn snake. I bred the male to a hypo Corn which is supossed to be het for SilverQueen Ghost, but I haven't proved that out yet. I have 1.3 from that same Hypo to a bloodred that should breed next year so I will see if I get any ghost? I will also breed the male back to his mom probably. I've got quite a few things on the burner. The hard part is waiting years to see it give results, lol.
Miami Corns and especially Crimsons are my favorite Corn snake. I bred the male to a hypo Corn which is supossed to be het for SilverQueen Ghost, but I haven't proved that out yet. I have 1.3 from that same Hypo to a bloodred that should breed next year so I will see if I get any ghost? I will also breed the male back to his mom probably. I've got quite a few things on the burner. The hard part is waiting years to see it give results, lol.
Snakehead
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abell82
Senile Member
If Miami "phase" occurs in the wild, and in multiple locations (alabama,etc,) then how can it be considered a "line bred trait"? Being Naturally occuring, and all.
If the "original Candy canes" were hybrids, with Emoryi, Then how can a snake be "het candy cane", but it can't be het for "creamsicle" or "Miami phase"?
If an albino Eastern Milk, looks just like a candy cane, and a normal Eastern Milk looks very similar to a Miami corn. Is this a coincidence? Or is there something else going on, here?
If Emoryi and Slowinski can be a seperate sub-species why can't Miami?
If you breed a Miami to another Subspecies Such as Emoryi or Slowinski, will you get "inbetweeners" with a red back ground, or Miamish animals? If you only get the redish colors when bred into red rats then that says something right? Red dominates...etc
(Yeah I have asked all this before, and I am still not satisfied with the answers, sorry. )
If the "original Candy canes" were hybrids, with Emoryi, Then how can a snake be "het candy cane", but it can't be het for "creamsicle" or "Miami phase"?
If an albino Eastern Milk, looks just like a candy cane, and a normal Eastern Milk looks very similar to a Miami corn. Is this a coincidence? Or is there something else going on, here?
If Emoryi and Slowinski can be a seperate sub-species why can't Miami?
If you breed a Miami to another Subspecies Such as Emoryi or Slowinski, will you get "inbetweeners" with a red back ground, or Miamish animals? If you only get the redish colors when bred into red rats then that says something right? Red dominates...etc
(Yeah I have asked all this before, and I am still not satisfied with the answers, sorry. )
Snakehead
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My answers are in blue.
MysticExotics
(formerly NWHeather)
What answers did you get, that you are not satisfied with?
I ran across this recently...
Candy cane corn snakes were originally created by Rich Zuckowski using amelanistic Miami phase lines . Selective breeding has resulted in red and white snakes which resemble their namesakes. It’s next to impossible to predict at birth which individuals will develop into the best examples, but our lines are noted for the purity of the white background.
Jessicat
All Pied Everything
Because "Reverse Okeetee" is a lable for a line bred amel. Line bred traits are based on looks, not locality. A Reverse Okeetee is an Amelanistic Corn Snake which has thick white boarders. The name Reverse Okeetee was given to these animals because their pattern, the thick white boarders and bright colors, emulates an Okeetee's pattern, but in amel form.
Okeetees that are het amel are often used by line breeders to achieve the look of an amel labeled as a Reverse Okeetee, but because it is a line bred Morph, locality does not NEED to come into play to make a Reverse Okeetee.
Here's an example of a Reverse Okeetee. It is "just" an Amel. But because the boarders are much wider and different than a normal amel's might be, we put a lable on it.
This snake is a "high white" Reverse Okeetee. It is probably closer to a "Candy Cane" look than a very brightly colored Reverse Okeetee, but it has sufficient enough background color to be called a Reverse Okeetee. I have seen snakes labled as "High White Reverse Okeetees" that as adults end up looking more like a Candy Cane. For line bred Amels, it's all about look. It's the same as Sunglow, Candy Cane, Flourecent. They are all Amels, but because there is such a variety in Amelanistic corns, the line bred names help you discern a specific trait right away.
Oh geeze, I meant for that to be a short and easy explanation, but it turned out to be kinda long. Sorry!
MysticExotics
(formerly NWHeather)
Don't apologize! Thank you for taking the time to explain it!Because "Reverse Okeetee" is a lable for a line bred amel. Line bred traits are based on looks, not locality. A Reverse Okeetee is an Amelanistic Corn Snake which has thick white boarders. The name Reverse Okeetee was given to these animals because their pattern, the thick white boarders and bright colors, emulates an Okeetee's pattern, but in amel form.
Okeetees that are het amel are often used by line breeders to achieve the look of an amel labeled as a Reverse Okeetee, but because it is a line bred Morph, locality does not NEED to come into play to make a Reverse Okeetee.
Here's an example of a Reverse Okeetee. It is "just" an Amel. But because the boarders are much wider and different than a normal amel's might be, we put a lable on it.
This snake is a "high white" Reverse Okeetee. It is probably closer to a "Candy Cane" look than a very brightly colored Reverse Okeetee, but it has sufficient enough background color to be called a Reverse Okeetee. I have seen snakes labled as "High White Reverse Okeetees" that as adults end up looking more like a Candy Cane. For line bred Amels, it's all about look. It's the same as Sunglow, Candy Cane, Flourecent. They are all Amels, but because there is such a variety in Amelanistic corns, the line bred names help you discern a specific trait right away.
Oh geeze, I meant for that to be a short and easy explanation, but it turned out to be kinda long. Sorry!
Snakehead
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That's a beautiful snake!
I hope mine look even a little that! The problem I have with calling them Reverse Okeetees is that if that animal were not Amel the borders would be very thick and black, like a typical Okeetee. But what I have does not have thick black Borders. The white is a result from the silver background color of the miami Corn. So though they may look similar, to me they are totally different snakes. Im not trying to argue, just my thoughts, thanks.
Because "Reverse Okeetee" is a lable for a line bred amel. Line bred traits are based on looks, not locality. A Reverse Okeetee is an Amelanistic Corn Snake which has thick white boarders. The name Reverse Okeetee was given to these animals because their pattern, the thick white boarders and bright colors, emulates an Okeetee's pattern, but in amel form.
Okeetees that are het amel are often used by line breeders to achieve the look of an amel labeled as a Reverse Okeetee, but because it is a line bred Morph, locality does not NEED to come into play to make a Reverse Okeetee.
Here's an example of a Reverse Okeetee. It is "just" an Amel. But because the boarders are much wider and different than a normal amel's might be, we put a lable on it.
This snake is a "high white" Reverse Okeetee. It is probably closer to a "Candy Cane" look than a very brightly colored Reverse Okeetee, but it has sufficient enough background color to be called a Reverse Okeetee. I have seen snakes labled as "High White Reverse Okeetees" that as adults end up looking more like a Candy Cane. For line bred Amels, it's all about look. It's the same as Sunglow, Candy Cane, Flourecent. They are all Amels, but because there is such a variety in Amelanistic corns, the line bred names help you discern a specific trait right away.
Oh geeze, I meant for that to be a short and easy explanation, but it turned out to be kinda long. Sorry!
I hope mine look even a little that! The problem I have with calling them Reverse Okeetees is that if that animal were not Amel the borders would be very thick and black, like a typical Okeetee. But what I have does not have thick black Borders. The white is a result from the silver background color of the miami Corn. So though they may look similar, to me they are totally different snakes. Im not trying to argue, just my thoughts, thanks.
Cornparadise
New member
nice surprise I hope she turns out to be a cool looking Candy Cane Did anything else hatch?
Did anything else hatch?