New Morph?!

[Niels K.]

This year I finally bred my het`s. amel bloodred motley poss. het charcoal against each other.
the first hatchling was the biggest suprise!!
I also got a bloodred/normal stripe?!
I am just wondering what you guys thinking about that!

The pictures from the amel bloodred motley are making on the they of birth, and a month later!

 

[Niels K.]

lol, on the last picture she is 1 day old, at the first 2 pictrues 1 month!

 

[XCIN]

WOW, you dont want to sell him, or?

 

[BeckyG]

It will be interesting to see what that one will look like as an adult. Please keep us posted.

 

[Niels K.]

At the moments there no plans for selling this stunning animal!!
Send me a PM, the father of this animal is for sale...

 

[Serpwidgets]

Interesting color on those.

Given that the parents are normals and produced striped offspring, they would be het stripe, and not het motley. :wavey:

 

[Niels K.]

Interesting color on those.

Given that the parents are normals and produced striped offspring, they would be het stripe, and not het motley. :wavey:

well, the father was a bloodred het charcoal. the mother was a amel motley, so we did not expect to see this!!

 

[Serpwidgets]

well, the father was a bloodred het charcoal. the mother was a amel motley, so we did not expect to see this!!

Yep. This would mean that the amel motley was actually an amel motley het stripe.

What is the last pic? Looks like a striped/cubed amel... ?

 

[Serpwidgets]

Heh, opal... it looks opalish... :dunce:

 

[jellejanssen]

looking at its head i sure do think so it has something to do with bloodred, but what else, that's the question....

Jelle

 

[Marcel Poots]

well, the father was a bloodred het charcoal. the mother was a amel motley, so we did not expect to see this!!

No, you are talking about the grant parents.. The parents like Serp says are normals. And indeed it is very strange to find a Stripe between the Motleys.. Because het Stripe and het Amel can not be on the same allel.. I did not think about this untill Charles did mention it here.. Anyways, I am very pleased with the results anyways.. I am pretty sure your Cubed Amel Motley is a Bloodred.

 

[Serpwidgets]

No, you are talking about the grant parents.. The parents like Serp says are normals. And indeed it is very strange to find a Stripe between the Motleys.. Because het Stripe and het Amel can not be on the same allel.. I did not think about this untill Charles did mention it here.. Anyways, I am very pleased with the results anyways.. I am pretty sure your Cubed Amel Motley is a Bloodred.

I think you meant stripe and motley (instead of amel)... but yeah, a normal wouldn't be het stripe and motley.

The most likely scenario is that the amel motley grandparent is a genetic motley/stripe, as opposed to motley/motley.

From there, both of the normals inherited the stripe allele (as opposed to the motley allele) and are thus of the "wild-type/stripe" genotype.

 

[Marcel Poots]

Yes, I ment Motley instead of Amel. I used an StripedMotley female indeed to start this project. The male was a Bloodred het Charcoal. All offspring from them where normals. So you think all none normals from this clutch should be stripe since the parents can not be het Stripe and het Motley? I really do think the Amel is a Cubed Motley. The other snakes from this project produced No stripes.. Only Amels, Blizzards, and Amel Motleys and Motleys... Here is my Motley that I will grow up to see if the pattern will fade..

I chose this one because of the grey sides.. I know it means nothing in Motleys... Still I hope it is a true Bloodred..

 

[Serpwidgets]

Yes, I ment Motley instead of Amel. I used an StripedMotley female indeed to start this project. The male was a Bloodred het Charcoal. All offspring from them where normals. So you think all none normals from this clutch should be stripe since the parents can not be het Stripe and het Motley? I really do think the Amel is a Cubed Motley. The other snakes from this project produced No stripes.. Only Amels, Blizzards, and Amel Motleys and Motleys...

Yeah, I couldn't say on the cubed part, but if you have a picture of the amel motley this might help us with other questions about cubed. (If it's a cubed, this cross would be the first proof that cube is a variation of stripe and not a new allele!)

Anyway, since the amel motley is motley/stripe, half of her offspring would be het motley, the other half are het stripe. So when you pair them up, you would have any of the following combos:
het motley X het motley (makes normal & motley patterns)
het motley X het stripe (makes normal & motley patterns)
het stripe X het motley (makes normal & motley patterns)
het stripe X het stripe (makes normal & striped patterns)

So, in only 25% of pairs would you see the striped results. In the other pairs the stripe gene is not present, or it is not expressed because it is recessive to motley.

 

[Marcel Poots]

but if you have a picture of the amel motley this might help us with other questions about cubed.

It's the Amel Motley pictured in the first post of this topic. Posted by Niels who produced this clutch.

 

[Serpwidgets]

Do you mean this picture?
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38757&stc=1

 

[Niels K.]

Do you mean this picture?
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38757&stc=1

yes thats the same only 1 month earlyer!!
But I got some troubles with posting the pics..

 

[Marcel Poots]

Do you mean this picture?
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38757&stc=1

Yep, that's the one. When you look at it in negative colors you will see slightly better what I think of cubes in cube Motley. What do you think?

 

[robin h]

Well Marcel, I have mentioned before, that the amel motley YOU used for producing the triple hets... MUST HAVE BEEN an amel het. motley/het. stripe....

so a genotypical motley striped, but fenotypically motley

I also told this to Niels....

There is no other way that a striped will pop out in the mix... the other hets could well have been all het for motley(a genetic motleystriped will produce 50% het motley and 50% striped)

Just as Charles mentioned.... The amel blood (what we supposed) motley, could well be an amel bloodred striped....

and that means that the cubed comes from striped genes...

I am glad to hear that I am NOT the only one talking about opal-looks in the hatchling picture ( I'm not always talking bullcrap guys )


Actually, it will be nice to see this animal colour up in the following years... Could start some nice projects with this animal

 

[Marcel Poots]

Well Marcel, I have mentioned before, that the amel motley YOU used for producing the triple hets... MUST HAVE BEEN an amel het. motley/het. stripe....

Yes, that I knew for a fact. Erik told me about this. His Motleys come from Ben Hoiting and he used Stripe males on Motley females..

Just as Charles mentioned.... The amel blood (what we supposed) motley, could well be an amel bloodred striped....
and that means that the cubed comes from striped genes...

Yes, I thought about this too. Unfortunatly Niels did not hatch any other Motleys which makes this statement ever more true.. Well, if you ask my opinion now without having seen the snake in person I say cube Motley. But tonight I will visit Niels. So I have a chance to see the snake in person.