New Morph?!

[Marcel Poots]

If it isn't, what is it?

It's a normal. Some of the normals and Bloodreds from this clutch hatched without any color like some of my hatchlings did. It will trun red in a few weeks. That's why I am 100% sure the Amel Motley Bloodred is no Opal or blizzard. It will only take three sheds from now before it will have it's normal colors.

In my cluth these turned out to be normal Bloodreds:

This one in particulair turned out very red. :

 

[Marcel Poots]

The only logical conclusion I can draw from the results I've seen is that the diffusion gene does not change the quality of existing colors, it just alters the pattern. :santa:

Well your line does.. But most dark red Bloodred line will do more than just diffuse the pattern. Most outcross will be redder (correct spelling?) than normals. And in Lavender Bloodred it is very very obvious that color is adjusted by the Bloodred gene.

 

[SnakeAround]

Wow Marcel, that are weird bloods!

 

[Serpwidgets]

Oh yeah, I do remember the blood that had looked almost like a pewter when it hatched.

Well your line does.. But most dark red Bloodred line will do more than just diffuse the pattern. Most outcross will be redder (correct spelling?) than normals. And in Lavender Bloodred it is very very obvious that color is adjusted by the Bloodred gene.

Only one of the three is my line. The other two lines are different SMR snakes (1 pewter, 1 rosy blood) so this is not an isolated case. In fact, the rosy bloods that I've seen in person are the reddest hatchlings I've seen. Yet, the F2s are the same color as the F1s.

I've seen some lavenders (plasmas) in person at Daytona. They varied from super dark to super light.

It isn't a color gene.

 

[Niels K.]

LMAO Joe. :grin01:

Ok, you asked for it... I've now hatched """"blood red"""" corns from three separate outcrossings. Not a single one of them shows even the slightest shred of evidence that there is any "increase of red" gene or effect at work. They are all the same colors that each of their "variation of normal coloration" parents are. The only logical conclusion I can draw from the results I've seen is that the diffusion gene does not change the quality of existing colors, it just alters the pattern. :santa:

The head pattern does make a case for diffused, but I still would not rely on it without breeding trials.

I would like to see a picture of the hatchling that shows its pattern. It still does look rather "opal-ish" from here. And the pattern should resemble a striped pattern (including one with dots & dashes) as opposed to a motley pattern, but I still can't see the saddles in that picture. :shrugs:

Is this what you need for seeing the saddles?! :shrugs:

 

[robin h]

who invented the name "bloodred" ???

some silly Americans I guess.... LOL you are just confusing those weird European guys on the other side of the world

Why don't we just call it diffused and just quit the blood thing

The red in this snake isn't coming from bloodred.... no diffused-influences

in pewters you won't see any red too, so I don't see why it would in a blizzardbloodred, as you guys first thought?

I still see opal-looks LOL

@ Marcel: OK, you're dissin' Joe Pierce and Charles Pritzel..... I'm completely fine with that.... But you should NOT diss your fellow Dutch corn-freaks LOL, I just don't like that ghehehe

 

[SnakeAround]

I just don't see any lavenderish snake in the last pic.... I see the weird one, a 'normal' normal and an orangy normal.... :shrugs: I'm just curious if anyone agrees.... :shrugs: I don't wanna join the morph discussion.

 

[Eternity]

Wow I think I'm in love! hahaha
Niels, you should check my pockets when I leave ;-)
Can't wait to see that one for real!

 

[Niels K.]

hahaha I am not afraid fot that Gabriel!
If you leave 1000 € it`s yours :grin01:

 

[Eternity]

whahahaha
I'll stick to the other two ;-)
but he/she is beautifull!!!

 

[Niels K.]

Marcel, in that photo are 3 snakes. One is the "amel" and another is a normal, am I hallucinating, or is that third snake a lavender? If it isn't, what is it?

That is a normal het bloodred, i also got a bloodred hatched wich is completely grey!

 

[Serpwidgets]

who invented the name "bloodred" ???

some silly Americans I guess.... LOL you are just confusing those weird European guys on the other side of the world

Why don't we just call it diffused and just quit the blood thing

Ya, the name was not coined for a gene, it was coined for the bloodred morph. After an underlying pattern gene was proven out and a few people started to admit that it even existed, the people who introduced the bloodred morph to the world then suggested that the underlying pattern gene be called "diffused."

But of course using that term would require letting go of all the ridiculous "it's magical" garbage and recognizing the morph, and the gene, for what they actually are. There is no magic, there is no mystery. Just a bunch of people who want to live in the land of make-believe.

 

[Roy Munson]

There is no magic, there is no mystery. Just a bunch of people who want to live in the land of make-believe.

I'll have you know that I got my bloodreds from King Friday (after a short trolley-ride), and I assure you that they are mysterious and magical!

 

[SnakeAround]

I'll have you know that I got my bloodreds from King Friday (after a short trolley-ride), and I assure you that they are mysterious and magical!

:roflmao: Too funny!

 

[Niels K.]

Any one have a request for a pic, of the head/pattern/belly etc?!

 

[Menhir]

Any one have a request for a pic, of the head/pattern/belly etc?!

The better the pictures are you can give as, the more information you may get from the "experts".
I think the belly won't give us much things as additional information. I would like to see a few pics after 2 or 3 more sheds. I remember Marcels strange Blood very well and I also expect this animal to have this type of late erythricin development. Just keep us updated after each shed - I can only speak for me, but I'm very interested in the development of this animal.

 

[Lexcorn]

Originally posted by Menhir

I can only speak for me, but I'm very interested in the development of this animal.

I too have been following this thread with great interest.

That is one beautiful hatchling Neils, congrats.

I am sure that you deserve high praise for having the patience to await the outcome of this project. This proves that it is worth 'hanging on' to het. animals that do not, in themselves, look particularly stunning but have the capacity to provide the gems that we all desire in our breeding programmes.

Best of luck with him/her.

 

[Niels K.]

Originally posted by Menhir


I too have been following this thread with great interest.

That is one beautiful hatchling Neils, congrats.

I am sure that you deserve high praise for having the patience to await the outcome of this project. This proves that it is worth 'hanging on' to het. animals that do not, in themselves, look particularly stunning but have the capacity to provide the gems that we all desire in our breeding programmes.

Best of luck with him/her.

Thank you, it takes a lot of patience from me... I was focussing on the bloodred motley, but amel bloodred striped motley and a striped (bloodred?)
are much better! :grin01: :crazy02:
If they both shed again i will post new pics!