New Morph?!

[robin h]

Take your Canon with you

 

[Serpwidgets]

Ok, I'm lost now.

He said that is the same snake one month earlier.

The snake in the picture is a hatchling laying next to an egg, one month earlier. That picture cannot be the mother, unless she layed a clutch of eggs while she was still a fetus.

See why I am lost? :shrugs:

:grin01:

 

[Niels K.]

Yes, that I knew for a fact. Erik told me about this. His Motleys come from Ben Hoiting and he used Stripe males on Motley females..



Yes, I thought about this too. Unfortunatly Niels did not hatch any other Motleys which makes this statement ever more true.. Well, if you ask my opinion now without having seen the snake in person I say cube Motley. But tonight I will visit Niels. So I have a chance to see the snake in person.

Hehehe, IF I show you it!!
You take your camera with you?

 

[Niels K.]

Ok, I'm lost now.

He said that is the same snake one month earlier.

The snake in the picture is a hatchling laying next to an egg, one month earlier. That picture cannot be the mother, unless she layed a clutch of eggs while she was still a fetus.

See why I am lost? :shrugs:

:grin01:

On the first 2 pics she is 1 month old, then you see the Bloodred? stripe. And after that 1 you see the last picture at 1 day old!

 

[Serpwidgets]

So if I'm reading this correctly, photos 1, 2, and 4 are all the same snake. That snake is the suspected bloodred stripe, which hatched in 2006.

It was said before that the mother of the clutch was pictured in that post.

If 1, 2, and 4 are one 2006 hatchling, and picture 3 is a 2006 striped hatchling from that clutch, then none of the pictures are the amel motley.

:shrugs:

 

[Niels K.]

Yes, it is all of the same corn..!!

We can`t be sure IF it is a bloodred! I think so, but need to wait some months for being sure!

 

[ecreipeoj]

Serp and I would like to see a photo of this female: Bloodred het Charcol X AMEL MOTLEY. The mother that produced your Het Bloodred, Amel, Striped breeders. It does seem that Lavender was hiding as a het in one of the parents as well.

The Amel Motley that started all of this really could not be a Cubed if Motleys were produced from her offspring, unless Cubes are really different than any of us think. I have often thought they may be a gene that is located at a different locus than Motley, but when Motley or Stripes are also homo for Cubed, there is a combined effect. It is odd that there are any Motleys with a great deal of Cubing if Cubes are just a variation of Striped. We really shouldn’t be able to see this effect since Motleys are dominant over Striped. The only problem with a theory that they are located at a different locus is that we should have seen some Normals produced at some point.

I have a ton of crosses between MotleyX Striped, Motley X Cubed, Stripes X Cubed, Striped X Motley/Striped and Cubes X Cubes due to hatch soon, so we will have something to discuss about Cubes soon.

 

[Serpwidgets]

Niels, I was just trying to find out what the amel motley looked like. I think we were misunderstanding each other. Marcel said it was pictured in this thread, you said it was pictured in this thread...

It's the Amel Motley pictured in the first post of this topic. Posted by Niels who produced this clutch.

I did not mean the final (stripe/cube amel, possible blood) offspring, I meant the one highlighted in red in the following pedigree. I hope that clears things up.

Anyway, if the '06 clutch you hatched contains both cubed and striped snakes, this would indicate that "cube" is not caused by an allele to stripe. It would also suggest that cube is either a variation of the pattern caused by the striped gene, or that there is perhaps a "modifier gene" at a currently unknown locus. This would assist us in looking for test crosses to further narrow down the possible answers to "what is the genotype of a cubed corn?"

 

[Marcel Poots]

The female that started the project:

The male Bloodred het Charcoal:

Both:

 

[Serpwidgets]

The female that started the project:
The male Bloodred het Charcoal:
Both:

Aha, now I see, LOL. Thanks for the pics Marcel! Definitely "just" an amel motley het stripe then. Looking forward to more pics of the 06 clutch.

Is that blood the father of your awesome ( :bang: ) pewter?

 

[Marcel Poots]

Is that blood the father of your awesome ( :bang: ) pewter?

Nope. But he produced the same light colored Pewters..here is one of the offspring that I produced:

 

[SnakeAround]

Marcel, are you selling offspring like that?

 

[Marcel Poots]

No, I don't have any offspring like that right now.

 

[robin h]

And again, I am happy to hear that both Joe and Charles are talking about the possibility of a hidden lavender gene.....LOL

So I am not the only one thinking about that

Niels, how many times did this amel blood motley thing shed right now?

And did you already sex her? Male or Female...could be interesting to know

 

[Marcel Poots]

And again, I am happy to hear that both Joe and Charles are talking about the possibility of a hidden lavender gene.....LOL

So I am not the only one thinking about that

It's obvious you three do not know what the heck you are talking about.. LOL... :crazy02:

I have seen the snake in person yesterday. It's no Opal. I am pretty sure (90%) it's an Amel StripedMotley Bloodred.. I have been waiting for Niels to post my pictures here. But since it takes ages I will post one..

 

[bkk1]

Super :bang:
would like to get my hands on theat one.

mayby the babies over here will produce something like that when adults.

Niels thats really one awesome snake. Very interesting

 

[ecreipeoj]

Maybe it is a Blizzard Motley Blood and the extra DARK RED pigment from the Blood gene is giving us this weird diluted Amel look. OK, Chuck let me have it! :sidestep:

 

[Niels K.]

And again, I am happy to hear that both Joe and Charles are talking about the possibility of a hidden lavender gene.....LOL

So I am not the only one thinking about that

Niels, how many times did this amel blood motley thing shed right now?

And did you already sex her? Male or Female...could be interesting to know

Not yet sexed her, but I will soon!!
''IT'' is only shed 1 time, that was the first shed in her live :shrugs:

 

[Serpwidgets]

Maybe it is a Blizzard Motley Blood and the extra DARK RED pigment from the Blood gene is giving us this weird diluted Amel look. OK, Chuck let me have it! :sidestep:

LMAO Joe. :grin01:

Ok, you asked for it... I've now hatched """"blood red"""" corns from three separate outcrossings. Not a single one of them shows even the slightest shred of evidence that there is any "increase of red" gene or effect at work. They are all the same colors that each of their "variation of normal coloration" parents are. The only logical conclusion I can draw from the results I've seen is that the diffusion gene does not change the quality of existing colors, it just alters the pattern. :santa:

The head pattern does make a case for diffused, but I still would not rely on it without breeding trials.

I would like to see a picture of the hatchling that shows its pattern. It still does look rather "opal-ish" from here. And the pattern should resemble a striped pattern (including one with dots & dashes) as opposed to a motley pattern, but I still can't see the saddles in that picture. :shrugs:

 

[Serpwidgets]

It's obvious you three do not know what the heck you are talking about.. LOL... :crazy02:

I have seen the snake in person yesterday. It's no Opal. I am pretty sure (90%) it's an Amel StripedMotley Bloodred.. I have been waiting for Niels to post my pictures here. But since it takes ages I will post one..

Marcel, in that photo are 3 snakes. One is the "amel" and another is a normal, am I hallucinating, or is that third snake a lavender? If it isn't, what is it?