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New proof of aliens?

I believe in aliens. I find it absolutely inconceivable that there is no other intelligent life, or any life at all, outside of our solar system. Plants, bugs, bacteria, it is highly egocentric of humans to discount other forms of life as yet undiscovered. I fully believe that as we build bigger and better telescopes (James Webb will be deployed in about 5 more years and it is much more powerful than Hubble), we will find signs of *something* else out there.

I do have much trouble believing that aliens are among us, or that they look just like us (with maybe forehead warts and green blood), however. As much as I want to believe, I haven't seen the evidence yet.
 
Senusenu said:
As much as I want to believe, I haven't seen the evidence yet.
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And there lies the problem.

Would we know it? if we saw it? The evidence i'm meaning.

We as Humans, ASSUME..that if there is life out there somewhere...that it will in some way resemble us, or at least be recognizable.

According to most science minded people, Everything on this planet..came from outer space.... Therefore, Everything you see..is in fact.."Alien".
 
I just like the fact that at least it was the government at least admitting they DO exist even though ours wont! Most of us are not naive. But there are MANY MANY people who will disagree whether because of religion, the belief we are the only "intelligent" life, lack of proof, whatever it may be. For all i know we could be the aliens we seem to be less technologically advanced and probably a much newer civilization.
 
rich333 said:
And there lies the problem.

Would we know it? if we saw it? The evidence i'm meaning.

We as Humans, ASSUME..that if there is life out there somewhere...that it will in some way resemble us, or at least be recognizable.

According to most science minded people, Everything on this planet..came from outer space.... Therefore, Everything you see..is in fact.."Alien".
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It's entirely possible there's life out there based on silicon instead of carbon, and metabolises chemicals that would be toxic to us and might appear nonliving. Crystal based life forms, perhaps. But something that truly came from another planet resembling something here so exactly that no one knows about it, that's much harder to believe. I'm talking complex life, not bacteria and virii.

I know about the panspermia theory, it's quite interesting. Some think bacteria came from Mars, or that an asteroid from outside the solar system crashed and kickstarted abiogenisis. Until we find confirmed bacteria fossils on Mars, we won't know for sure.
 
Senusenu said:
It's entirely possible there's life out there based on silicon instead of carbon, and metabolises chemicals that would be toxic to us and might appear nonliving. Crystal based life forms, perhaps. But something that truly came from another planet resembling something here so exactly that no one knows about it, that's much harder to believe. I'm talking complex life, not bacteria and virii.

I know about the panspermia theory, it's quite interesting. Some think bacteria came from Mars, or that an asteroid from outside the solar system crashed and kickstarted abiogenisis. Until we find confirmed bacteria fossils on Mars, we won't know for sure.
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How Long do you think we had the F-117 Stealth Fighter..... Before you were

TOLD of it's existence??
 
and it was almost scrubbed because of poor performance in Panama.

I miss seeing them fly overhead. I'm slightly envious of qtken2 as he gets to see/hear 22s overhead. Not much makes it's way up to this end of the state it seems; the occasional F-18 or A-10, but usually just ospreys and 130s.
 
I'm sure some people thought the stealth bomber was an alien ship before it was announced.

Regardless of how much they kept it secret, that still does not explain how something from another planet, evolved with different dna, would pass as human here. Unless the argument is that greys themselves are working for the government and not making an attempt to cover up their appearance. Going by the vast array of critters that have lived and died since abiogenisis began the 4.something billion years ago, and of course omitting what never actually fossilized (which is probably a lot more than we can imagine), it is unlikely that alien dna would manage to construct something that looks human.

Or you could make an argument for a seeded galaxy, in which case the dna would be shared and it is possible that the human body plan is more common, but that's yet another whole kettle of fish and no current evidence.

I'm not saying it's impossible, just very unlikely, given our current lack of evidence.
 
Senusenu said:
I'm sure some people thought the stealth bomber was an alien ship before it was announced.

Regardless of how much they kept it secret, that still does not explain how something from another planet, evolved with different dna, would pass as human here. Unless the argument is that greys themselves are working for the government and not making an attempt to cover up their appearance. Going by the vast array of critters that have lived and died since abiogenisis began the 4.something billion years ago, and of course omitting what never actually fossilized (which is probably a lot more than we can imagine), it is unlikely that alien dna would manage to construct something that looks human.

Or you could make an argument for a seeded galaxy, in which case the dna would be shared and it is possible that the human body plan is more common, but that's yet another whole kettle of fish and no current evidence.

I'm not saying it's impossible, just very unlikely, given our current lack of evidence.
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3.5bya and abiogenesis has two Es, but my spellcheck still hates that word :nope:
 
Quite simply, we may be no more capable of comprehending the totality and complexity of the universe than an earthworm could comprehend New York City. And it could very well be that the civilizations that have mastered travel between galaxies might be as far removed from us as we are from earthworms.

Which means they may have no more interest in us than we have for worms unless we need some bait to go fishing with.

Alien life doesn't HAVE to be modeled after humanity in the slightest bit. Who says they even have to live in the same time scale? Such things may be completely random and arbitrary. Then you get into the theories or parallel universes and you have to wonder about what makes the dimensions we know and are constrained by as being universal?

Humanity is making THEORIES about a universe claiming it KNOWS what is going on, yet can't predict the weather 24 hours in advance. :grin01: Who says the "laws" of physics even apply in every corner of the universe? Our little corner could actually be an exception rather than the rule.

The universe is big enough to have infinite possibilities. Yet we still try to lay everything against OUR yardstick and proclaim that if it doesn't fit, then it cannot exist. Regardless of the fact that the yardstick being used is HERE, and everything being compared to it is WAY, WAY out THERE.
 
This politician isn't the only one that has gone on about aliens in the government.
It's pretty scary to think that they DO visit this planet and that they DO have their own agendas.
They may be intelligent and have scientific advancement way beyond ours, which may reflect how they see us (i.e. a pool of workers, etc), which would explain why they are working us towards the "New World Order".
It also explains why they are trying to hard to take our gun rights away. We are soon to lose our freedoms imo and this has a lot to do with it.
 
There has also been several astronauts in NASA's history.... That have said as much.

On another note.....

How about the radio signal that Ohio state received in the 70's, I think it was....

The bandwidth the signal was discovered on is now banned?

I believe it's nicknamed the "WOW Signal".
 
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