Cornparadise
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I think this really is a fault during early development, but only the future will tell if this is true. They are definitely cool, would love to own one lolz.
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OMG what are those popping up?!
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ZoologyGirl
Under Tank Heather
Keep us updated on these. I can't say I'm particularly interested in having one, I'm not interested in scaleless either, but I'd be interested to know if this is a genetic mutation which is heritable, or if it is an early developmental issue. I too lean toward developmental issue, but who knows :shrugs: They are interesting to ponder, that's for sure.
SnakeAround
Formerly Blutengel
I have already made a comparison pic, could not wit myself LOL
The weird one actually has more scales too, so they are not underdeveloped regular scales I think. The shape is also different. I wish we we were like half a year further to see what they look like then :spinner:
Of course there is a change it is some fault in development, but two of them in a clutch... at the other hand, the other one that was pipping yesterday died after having poked out his nose, when I got it out it was completely developed, yet it died :shrugs: It had regular scales though....
The last egg had not even been slit, so I opened it, to find a tiny embryo totally gone wrong, it looked like a half sized, crumpled, mixed up head with a tiny body attached, maybe about an inch long. It was fully colored up but I could not see what the scales looked like.
So this was what happened: the mother laid 9 good looking eggs, two crumpled after a couple of days, one normal hatchling hatched, two 'mini scale' hatchlings hatched but three normal and fully developend hatchlings died after poking out their nose or only slitting the egg, one embryo's development completely went wrong :shrugs:
The circumstanced with the hatchlings that died, might indicate this is a clutch gone wrong indeed but to me it seems so weird that from the three survivors out of 9, two are are the weird ones, and among the ones that did not make it, are most probably no weird ones, except perhaps the tiny, crumpled one... I do so hope that the weird ones are healthy and are a pair so I can test them to see what is going on, without most of the hatchlings not making it :awcrap:
Here are two new photo's of one of the weirdo's, showing the details of the skin a bit better:
The weird one actually has more scales too, so they are not underdeveloped regular scales I think. The shape is also different. I wish we we were like half a year further to see what they look like then :spinner:
Of course there is a change it is some fault in development, but two of them in a clutch... at the other hand, the other one that was pipping yesterday died after having poked out his nose, when I got it out it was completely developed, yet it died :shrugs: It had regular scales though....
The last egg had not even been slit, so I opened it, to find a tiny embryo totally gone wrong, it looked like a half sized, crumpled, mixed up head with a tiny body attached, maybe about an inch long. It was fully colored up but I could not see what the scales looked like.
So this was what happened: the mother laid 9 good looking eggs, two crumpled after a couple of days, one normal hatchling hatched, two 'mini scale' hatchlings hatched but three normal and fully developend hatchlings died after poking out their nose or only slitting the egg, one embryo's development completely went wrong :shrugs:
The circumstanced with the hatchlings that died, might indicate this is a clutch gone wrong indeed but to me it seems so weird that from the three survivors out of 9, two are are the weird ones, and among the ones that did not make it, are most probably no weird ones, except perhaps the tiny, crumpled one... I do so hope that the weird ones are healthy and are a pair so I can test them to see what is going on, without most of the hatchlings not making it :awcrap:
Here are two new photo's of one of the weirdo's, showing the details of the skin a bit better:
vetusvates
Gamaliel's Principle
Those round scales and round saddles and lateral spots almost make it look like a toy.
When I first say the first pics yesterday, it reminded me of a BRB.
I hope the oddling survives and can be studied more.
I wonder if it has an extra chromosome for the scale and pattern traits. LOL.
When I first say the first pics yesterday, it reminded me of a BRB.
I hope the oddling survives and can be studied more.
I wonder if it has an extra chromosome for the scale and pattern traits. LOL.
ZoologyGirl
Under Tank Heather
Thanks for the new pics, very interesting indeed.
When I first saw them their scales kind of reminded me of Kenyan Sand Boas.
When I first saw them their scales kind of reminded me of Kenyan Sand Boas.
Reptileman81
Future professional
Yeah that was my thought. They look like some anaconda or burms hybrid lol. Crazy looking but way cool. Even like kenya sand boas like ZoologyGirl said.
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SnakeAround
Formerly Blutengel
I know I'm stuck to keeping all three of them.... what a bummer I must say though I'll have to be creative with vivs and make some difficult choices too, three adult snakes more then reckoned with ruins my housing plan quit heavily.
I must say though I'll have to be creative with vivs and make some difficult choices too, three adult snakes more then reckoned with ruins my housing plan quit heavily.
SnakeAround
Formerly Blutengel
Pssst, Reptileman, don't tell them how they are made, you promised :angry01:
RobbiesCornField
Bring it on.
I know I'm stuck to keeping all three of them.... what a bummer
So send one to me!
sciencechick
New member
Those are super neat! Two in a clutch does sound odd, though I would assume that they were kept in very similar conditions so maybe you just hit some really strange zone that encouraged this.
I hope it doesn't negatively affect their health in any way. I really hope they make it, it will be cool to see how this develops. Lots of pics please
I hope it doesn't negatively affect their health in any way. I really hope they make it, it will be cool to see how this develops. Lots of pics please
SnakeAround
Formerly Blutengel
Maybe it is the specific herp breeder I used for that box of eggs!!!!! Honey, it shrunk the scales!
Robby, do you have some spare money then, like... let's say... a lot? hehe....
Robby, do you have some spare money then, like... let's say... a lot? hehe....
diamondlil
Mice! They taste so nice!
I agree, I just can't for the life of me see extra production of smaller scales being a result of incubation stress. But only time will tell!
RobbiesCornField
Bring it on.
Maybe it is the specific herp breeder I used for that box of eggs!!!!! Honey, it shrunk the scales!
Robby, do you have some spare money then, like... let's say... a lot? hehe....
Haha! Shipping probably would be a bit of a hassle.
Reptileman81
Future professional
:flames: Its cool you just better give me some money or I will tell them the rest of the recipe lol.
sciencechick
New member
That was just a random guess from me. I haven't bred anything so it really was just a random though. I hope its genetic too, I don't know why I like these so much but I am really curious to see what is up with the little guys.
diamondlil
Mice! They taste so nice!
But all corns, except maybe verified wild-caught-from-different-location-bred together-offspring are inbred to some degree. All morphs, colour or pattern, have been inbred to reproduce the recessive genes. Specific looks such as candy cane are inbred and line-bred to perfect the polygenic traits.:shrugs:
Nanci
Alien Lover
Not a bad guess, though. Doesn't it have to be one or the other??