pair bonding?

[Temerairecorns]

thanks i hate the idea of putting them under the bed or in something so small they seem to be getting allong for now but i may have no choice as they get bigger i dont want to lose anyone and that 29 is going to start getting small soon.
what do you think of the exo terra heat cable?

 

[Allalaskan]

Are you any good with wood working? Sounds to me like if all else fails you could problubly build an "shelf" system of your own to fit under your bed. Also just an idea look at what Im building, the last couple pages are what the ongoing project is. Just an idea of what is possible, and you could do a normal shelf system with totes.

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107788&page=2

Im building mine to have 5 complete chambers, the dimensions are the same size as the bottem of my current 29 gallon fish tank. Its bigger then it looks in the pictures how ever is not overly huge. 6ft tall, 30 inches wide and a foot deep. You could buy 2 of the same kind and attatch them one in front of the other with the back side of the front one removed so its a deep shelf, then get totes and slide them into the shelfs with a heat strip in the back side of each shelf or how ever you like. Im just trying to make mine a little more "fancy", just to be a little easier on the eyes, Problubly not tomarrow but the next few days I will be working on the front of mine getting it ready for plexiglass if you want to keep an eye on the progress.

How ever I think building one to fit under your bed is an awsome idea!

 

[evergreencorns]

Not sure on the heat cable. That would be another thing to get opinions on I think.

I'm a fan of undertank heaters overall.

I am actually working on a tank for Bella right now, made out of an IKEA TV stand. It's melamine and I'm using the frame for it. The front and back are going to be plexiglass with small holes drilled through for air circulation, with latching/locking hinges on both sides. Also putting plexi inside for the lining, and putting my flexwatt below that on one side of the enclosure. I'm horrible at describing these things. Ugh. When I get it going, I'll take pics.

 

[Allalaskan]

I will be watching for that build I really enjoy seeing what other people make from things that werent meant for that purpose, like an tv stand haha.

 

[Temerairecorns]

i'm a bit odd as herp keepers go apparently i hate captivity. i'm almost obsessive about giving my animals a lot of space and making things as close to nature as possible. (accept gwen who can never be on sand again (vet's orders) stupid original owner giving the poor thing burns:madeuce: it took months to nurse him back to health) the 29 they are currently in had nothing but a hide a water bowl and a light when i first got it now it has 3 ground level hides 2 small hanging leafy vines (the suction cup kind) a branch being supported by a peace of drift wood and some greap vine that i wedged a coconut sell between (on of the ground hides) one small exo terra jungle vine hanging from the lid connecting to the branch and a magnetic rock ledge. i plan to get more vines and ledges next week when i go home to see my mom. it's my hope that i can give them enough ledges and vines and things to crawl on that they cant possibly imagine life outside their tank. also that it will give them enough places to bask that they wont stress. i had one who was always trying to escape who has stopped since i put all of the stuff in there, i count it as a small victory. the idea of racking them hurts. out of curiosity i was planning to build them a big enclosure once i graduate prob out of a wardrobe or big china cabinet is it possible to actually keep them together as they seem fine how much space would they need to minimize the stress as adults?

 

[evergreencorns]

That's a good question. I'm not sure.
Sometimes too much space in captivity can cause stress too (which makes no sense to me), but it's possible it could work.

Yeah, I only use racks because of how many snakes I have. In order to breed, I don't have much of a choice, but I do make sure I use the largest tubs possible and handle them daily for exercise. Someday when I get a bigger place, I'd love to convert all to 40gallon breeders. That would be amazing.

 

[Temerairecorns]

i fell in love with herps when i volunteered for my vet, and fell even harder when Gwendal my bearded dragon was abandoned outside of the petco i worked at, i got my corns in July and fell for them as well i'm considering breeding them when they get bigger. i have a male okatee, a female ghost and a female blood red diffused. i'm lucky though my mate loves snakes as well and is willing to support me if i decide to breed them. he's even okay with the big ones, he wants a big one. so we will probably end up building enclosures for them. which is fine i'm handy with a tool belt.

 

[Allalaskan]

When I can afford it I plan on building a bit 8ft Lx 4ftT and 2ftD. But im estimating around $400-500 to build exactly what I want. I understnad you want to give them the most room as possible but honostly them having there own space, granted smaller to them would problubly be less stressfull then what they are in now. Also if you build it under your bed, say your bed is 8ft long, you could make 4 chambers 2ft wide then go 3-4 feet deep and say 12-15 inches tall and that would be ALOT more space then what they are in now. And you could get another snake

 

[susang]

i fell in love with herps when i volunteered for my vet, and fell even harder when Gwendal my bearded dragon was abandoned outside of the petco i worked at, i got my corns in July and fell for them as well i'm considering breeding them when they get bigger. i have a male okatee, a female ghost and a female blood red diffused. i'm lucky though my mate loves snakes as well and is willing to support me if i decide to breed them. he's even okay with the big ones, he wants a big one. so we will probably end up building enclosures for them. which is fine i'm handy with a tool belt.

You have these three together in one viv?

 

[Allalaskan]

that's what i thought, but she never listens to me, she pointed out that i have three corns in one tank but i got them that way and plan to get them a bigger enclosure as soon as i move out in a years time. right now my roommate has a no more tanks or bigger tanks rule, so they're stuck for now. as to my sister i'll try to get her to get another tank. speaking of my snakes has anyone heard anything about the bigapple pet's screen tanks? they're 2ft by 2 ft by 4 or seven feet tall. any idea how those would work in an area that gets cold as all hell?
also would that be enough room for my corns they are all climbers but they are still babies. 2ft each

I believe she does Susang.

 

[Dreamsnake]

If the male breeds the females before they're large enough it will kill them.

 

[Jessicat]

i'm a bit odd as herp keepers go apparently i hate captivity. i'm almost obsessive about giving my animals a lot of space and making things as close to nature as possible.

Well if that's really true then you wouldn't be keeping 3 snakes in one tank, which gives them an EXTREMELY small range of habitat. That is very far from what they would experience in the wild. Snakes are solitary and don't come into contact with each other except to breed.

Even Kritter keepers would be better than one large tank, or perhaps you should invest in a rack.

http://www.animalplastics.com/

http://www.reptilebasics.com/reptile-rack-systems/

http://www.northeastsnakes.com/racks.html

http://monster-cages.com/racks.php

If those are too expensive, you can always build your own as well. You could get creative and make a book shelf/ rack or something to utilize space as well.

it possible to actually keep them together as they seem fine how much space would they need to minimize the stress as adults?

A 29gal is a good minimum for ONE adult corn. It's not possible to keep them together without stressing them though. Just to list a few reasons, male/male combos will spar, female/female combos might not physically fight as much, but will be stressed, and male/female combos can result in early pregnancies. If the female is not mature enough to lay, she can die. Also, females should NEVER have to lay eggs in the presence of another snake, especially in such close quarters. Do you have any idea of the genders of your snakes? It's more than irresponsible not to in your situation. Also, there are more horrific reasons than what I listed.

(accept gwen who can never be on sand again (vet's orders) stupid original owner giving the poor thing burns:madeuce:

Corns should NEVER have sand as substrate.

also that it will give them enough places to bask that they wont stress. ?

Corns don't need a basking light. Most of mine prefer darker lighting situations and get more stressed out when the area they are in is heavily lit. If you're not careful a basking light can also heat up their tank significantly. Heat spikes can kill snakes.

the idea of racking them hurts.

Do a search in the DIY forum to see some of the homemade racks people here have built. They can be really quite beautiful, and great display tanks. It seems like you mean well, but you really need to do some research on corns. Especially if you want to get the closest to what's "natural" for them.

 

[bitsy]

If the male breeds the females before they're large enough it will kill them.

It *might* kill them and it may do long-lasting harm.

*Some* undersized females can be bred without any ill-effects if they're in tip-top physical condition. However I wouldn't recommend risking until an owner has more experience of judging a Corn's phycial condition, which involves being able to recognise muscle mass vs. fat and various qualities of muscle tone (which will be different for each individual Corn). This is especially with co-habbing pairs where there is no control over when breeding takes place.

Breeding an undersized female *may* be life-threatening but death isn't a guaranteed outcome.

Corns should NEVER have sand as substrate.

(I think Gwen's a Beardie)

 

[insomniac]

the idea of racking them hurts.

tons of people have perfectly happy/healthy snakes in tubs/racks. The idea of keeping three to a tank hurts me to think about. They have to be stressed to some extent IMO.

 

[susang]

This is a case of OP reading only the posts they want and suit them.

One of the first thread I read on her was an eggbound female the pictures were sad and made a huge impression on me.

If your room is so small and you don't want to use a rack system then maybe snakes aren't for you.

 

[Allalaskan]

This is a case of OP reading only the posts they want and suit them.

One of the first thread I read on her was an eggbound female the pictures were sad and made a huge impression on me.

If your room is so small and you don't want to use a rack system then maybe snakes aren't for you.

Or atleast more then one snake isnt for her, if she has enough room for one then I dont see why she couldnt keep one but to keep multiple snakes in one tank is not healthy for them at all. If you want to keep them in as true to natural envirement as possible then you NEED to get them into there own enclosures asap. And if you dont have room or dont want to put them in a rack system maby you should find a couple of them new homes. I dont meen to sound meen but it would be cruel to keep them in the same tank for much (if any) longer.

Another thing is, is it possible that you and your room mate could find a bigger place when your lease is up? Try to find a 2 bedroom then you can have plenty of room in your own room for this. I dont know if that is possible, but its a thought.

 

[bitsy]

Remember that the OP isn't talking about her own Corns, but those of her sister. The OP is asking us for the facts so that she can correct some of her sister's notions about how Corns operate.

All she can do is pass on the facts that we give her, so we need to make sure we're not voicing our replies as criticism. After all, those of us who have them, know how happy brothers and sisters are to accept advice sometimes! I can't get my "little" brother to accept that I know more about Corns than the dreaded "Man In The Shop" and I've been keeping them for 20 years! Which is about two years longer than MITS has been alive.

 

[Allalaskan]

oo ok I didnt realize this was her sister she was talking about.

 

[susang]

that's what i thought, but she never listens to me, she pointed out that i have three corns in one tank but i got them that way and plan to get them a bigger enclosure as soon as i move out in a years time. right now my roommate has a no more tanks or bigger tanks rule, so they're stuck for now. as to my sister i'll try to get her to get another tank. speaking of my snakes has anyone heard anything about the bigapple pet's screen tanks? they're 2ft by 2 ft by 4 or seven feet tall. any idea how those would work in an area that gets cold as all hell?
also would that be enough room for my corns they are all climbers but they are still babies. 2ft each

Remember that the OP isn't talking about her own Corns, but those of her sister. The OP is asking us for the facts so that she can correct some of her sister's notions about how Corns operate.
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I do think from above statement she also has three snakes in a viv. Of course I could be reading totally wrong, hence when I asked. "Do you have three snakes in viv?"

 

[Jessicat]

I do think from above statement she also has three snakes in a viv. Of course I could be reading totally wrong, hence when I asked. "Do you have three snakes in viv?"

From a previous thread..

I have three corns all babies that were given to me as a set in 30 gallon tank.