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Release or Euthanize Cornsnakes? What's your opinion?

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And I think what elrojo is saying is a lot differen than releasing SICK/KINKED animals into the wild. I don't mean to split hairs here, but I don't see how him taking snakes from and putting them back into the wild is so bad. From the information posted it seems they were Okeetees/Normals whose parents had been taken from the same area. And the reasons he listed as releasing them didn't say anything about being a possible threat.

I still kind of disagree with it, but from what he's said it's no where near as bad as releasing say... a captive bred Caramel cornsnake that was kinked severly at birth and now refuses to feed. :shrugs:

Maybe I am just splitting hairs...

I don't think you are splitting hairs. I agree that it is different than releasing sick or deformed animals, but I still have issue with it.

I tend to agree with this statement from sarcare:
partially moral (we bring these animals into the world through selective breeding to the point where they are frequently far removed from the wild, hence we are morally responsible for the animals)
You bred them, brought them into this world, you should be responsible for their care.

Also, who's to say that the captives don't have a disease that will now be passed to their wild relatives? Not to mention that it is still illegal....
 
I think all of our opinions have been voiced. We all know where we stand on the topic so instead of us all being hostile we should agree to disagree. I wouldn't do this and neither would most of you guys, but Rotach may...or may not who really knows. It was a good topic and gave me a ton of perspective and a new lifer to look for, lol
 
I am against releasing unwanted animals in the wild, period.

But, if I had no problem with it, I wouldn't still release a sick/deformed/refusing to eat animal in the wild because I would just be prolonging its death. The only difference is that I would not be witnessing it.

To avoid a problem is very different than to not have a problem.

Just my $0.02
I strongly strongly oppose releasing man-made/genetically-engineered corn snake morphs (I gather that is what you mean) into an environment in which they would never normally be a part of to begin with. There is no acceptable reason for this whatsoever. Healthy, sickly, or deformed. It is an outlandish thought which would never cross an educated Hepetologist's/Zoologist's/Biologist's/Taxonomist's/Ecologist's mind. That is complete and utter disregard and disrespect for nature, the environment, evolution, natural selection, Linnaeus, Darwin, and countless other scientists, ecologists, taxonomists, naturalists, etc., etc., etc.
Not to mention the wrongful thing done to the non-native corn snake morphs.
 
Rotach I think you're being a bit snotty... How did I "split your hair"? What does that even mean?

I think you need to admit that you're wrong here. That even though you thought it was a good idea, that you have since been proven wrong. If Danielle, who is some years younger than you (if you really are 30 like you say, we have no idea), can admit that she was wrong about something, why can't you? It IS wrong to release sick/deformed snakes (and as Eric said, genetically altered) into the wild. It's even wrong to release even healthy, non-genetically altered snakes into your backyard even if you are close to their natural habitat.
 
Incidentally, the word anesthetic and derivatives does not equal an antonym to aesthetic and its' derivatives. For the record.
 
I don't think you are splitting hairs. I agree that it is different than releasing sick or deformed animals, but I still have issue with it.
No attack whatsoever, but I am curious what your issue might be with my actions. I took animals from the wild, reproduced them, and turned some of the offspring that *should* have been produced back to that same place.

I tend to agree with this statement from sarcare:

You bred them, brought them into this world, you should be responsible for their care.
To an extent... if you breed many snakes, the time will come that you WILL sell some to a first time keeper... or someone who turns out to be an idiot. I used to field phone calls all the time about "how do I find this loose snake!" I even had a care sheet I gave out with each hatchling! You can't keep them all. I feel much, much better about turning loose some Tillman locality corns in Tillman than the ones I sold that were poorly cared for in captivity.

Also, who's to say that the captives don't have a disease that will now be passed to their wild relatives? Not to mention that it is still illegal....
If I believed this was even a reasonable possibility, I would feed off or wholesale the hatchlings. I don't co-hab, re-feed uneaten mice, and each cage is practically autoclaved before another animal is put in it. I sterilize every water dish weekly, and my home collection is stagnant. Even the valuable hog morphs I've bought stay at the store, not my snake rooms.
As for the law, that doesn't really concern me. I know a bit more about corn snakes and Jasper county than lawmakers. It's also illegal to collect corns in SC. Or fail to come to a complete stop at the end of my street. Not to sound cavalier about releasing wildlife, but I feel turning these animals loose where I do is an asset to both the area and the animals that survive to pass on their genes. Just my grumpy 2 cents.
 
You're acting like this is just a big joke to you... I kind of find that a bit upsetting. So excuse me if not exactly light-hearted here.
 
It wasn't a big joke to me Em, we all stated our opinions, and now things are starting to lighten up. This isn't a military thread is it? I hope it isn't bothering you that much.
 
You're acting like this is just a big joke to you... I kind of find that a bit upsetting. So excuse me if not exactly light-hearted here.

This thread has 11 new posts by the time I submit mine... who is this directed toward?
 
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