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Retirement........

Rich, my understanding is that if you sell babies that would be considered ordinary income. When you sell your adult breeders however, that is considered capital gains and you don’t have to pay any FICA on that money, just income tax. If you have depreciated out all your equipment you don’t have to claim the income from the sell of the equipment unless you sell it for more than you paid for it.

Well the question is going to be about that equipment that I 179 expensed that is not being sold with the business. I'm certainly not selling all my computer equipment, camera and video stuff, air conditioning units for the buildings, the vehicles, etc., etc., that are classed as SerpenCo business assets, among other things. I'm guessing I can just transfer most of them to FaunaClassifieds, but not sure about the ones that really aren't applicable to a completely online based business like FC is.
 
Are you incorperated? The inc could sell them to you.

Nope. Sole proprietorship. I never really saw the need for incorporation or even a LLC. I wanted to keep it simple. FaunaClassifieds is a LLC, however.
 
Do you have a buisness license for Serpenco? Not sure that matters, but my thoughts are that the sale of the adults would also be considered (buisness stock) and would require that you claim that as income. If Serpenco has been maintained as a "hobby" only, then you may not have to claim it, but I am betting you do.

Guess you need to start coming up with tons of write offs. You can legally depreciate your breeders like recreational and motor vehicles. Every little bit counts huh?
 
Do you have a buisness license for Serpenco? Not sure that matters, but my thoughts are that the sale of the adults would also be considered (buisness stock) and would require that you claim that as income. If Serpenco has been maintained as a "hobby" only, then you may not have to claim it, but I am betting you do.

Guess you need to start coming up with tons of write offs. You can legally depreciate your breeders like recreational and motor vehicles. Every little bit counts huh?

I run this like a bonafide business and pay the taxes as needed. Oddly enough when I moved here to Florida and talked to the people in charge of licensing, they determined that since we are on agriculturally zoned land and were breeding animals for sale, we are technically classed as being a "farm" instead of an actual "business". But I still do the tax forms as a business...

Actually I believe you cannot depreciate APPRECIATING assets, which is what the breeding stock actually is. Now if you bought them as adults, then perhaps you could, but raising them up from babies, already deducting all the expenses associated with raising them, then you really don't have anything to depreciate in them. They are INCREASING in value as they get older, up to a point.

The problem with trying to come up with writeoffs is that this normally means spending money for some sort of investment or business asset for that writeoff. I would really like to set as much money as possible aside for retirement. That is a BIG unknown for us. Who the heck knows how long we will live? So how do you work out an accurate budget over a period of time that is unknowable? So we will just have to make a guess. If we outlive our estimate, then I don't know what the heck would come next. If we fall short of the estimate, well we just leave money on the table for the beneficiaries in our will. Probably a little bit miffed that we might have been able to do a bit more each year with some extra money, though...

Kind of disconcerting how many decisions there are to make in life that are unknowable until looking back in hindsight, when it is too late to do anything about it.
 
Best of Luck.. I'm a little bit behind. I know for sure you have the best butter stripes I've seen and will make sure I pick one up from you this year!
 
:awcrap: A couple of more emails from friends telling me that my retirement is an "end of an era" and I'm going to have to move into the Smithsonian Institute or something......... :eek1:

But thank you for the well wishes, everyone....
 
:awcrap: A couple of more emails from friends telling me that my retirement is an "end of an era" and I'm going to have to move into the Smithsonian Institute or something......... :eek1:

But thank you for the well wishes, everyone....

I don't think you know how many lives you've impacted...
so, yeah, this is huge....
 
Well, my ultimate game plan is that if in later years I find that we can't make it in retirement, to break some law to get us thrown in jail so the government can take care of us for free. :laugh:

:idea:
Certainly there MUST be a speed high enough that when arrested for it, it's an automatic jail sentence....

At least at the Smithsonian has a no touching policy. ;)
 
I run this like a bonafide business and pay the taxes as needed. Oddly enough when I moved here to Florida and talked to the people in charge of licensing, they determined that since we are on agriculturally zoned land and were breeding animals for sale, we are technically classed as being a "farm" instead of an actual "business". But I still do the tax forms as a business...

Actually I believe you cannot depreciate APPRECIATING assets, which is what the breeding stock actually is. Now if you bought them as adults, then perhaps you could, but raising them up from babies, already deducting all the expenses associated with raising them, then you really don't have anything to depreciate in them. They are INCREASING in value as they get older, up to a point.

The problem with trying to come up with writeoffs is that this normally means spending money for some sort of investment or business asset for that writeoff. I would really like to set as much money as possible aside for retirement. That is a BIG unknown for us. Who the heck knows how long we will live? So how do you work out an accurate budget over a period of time that is unknowable? So we will just have to make a guess. If we outlive our estimate, then I don't know what the heck would come next. If we fall short of the estimate, well we just leave money on the table for the beneficiaries in our will. Probably a little bit miffed that we might have been able to do a bit more each year with some extra money, though...

Kind of disconcerting how many decisions there are to make in life that are unknowable until looking back in hindsight, when it is too late to do anything about it.

Hey Rich, sorry I didn't see this before.. You can depreciate any livestock, simply because it has a 'life' that will end. A $500 snake is worthless to you when it dies, so you do get the 'benefit' of that loss over time.

If you sell a single snake though that you've been depreciating at a gain however you have to take back the depreciation on that particular snake.

Not sure if this information is of any use to you, just wanted to put it out there.
 
Hey Rich, sorry I didn't see this before.. You can depreciate any livestock, simply because it has a 'life' that will end. A $500 snake is worthless to you when it dies, so you do get the 'benefit' of that loss over time.

If you sell a single snake though that you've been depreciating at a gain however you have to take back the depreciation on that particular snake.

Not sure if this information is of any use to you, just wanted to put it out there.

Perhaps on something that you purchased as breeding stock, yes, I suppose you could claim depreciation on it. But when you hatch out stock to raise to breeding stock, what is the value of those animals that you use as the basis for depreciation?

Well this would certainly be a kick in the head to learn that I could have written off all the animals that have died on me over the years.... :crying:
 
Perhaps on something that you purchased as breeding stock, yes, I suppose you could claim depreciation on it. But when you hatch out stock to raise to breeding stock, what is the value of those animals that you use as the basis for depreciation?

Well this would certainly be a kick in the head to learn that I could have written off all the animals that have died on me over the years.... :crying:

You have a good point Rich, I never thought about that because I've only ever bought stock.. Next year I may have my first 'keepers' lol.
I'll ask Dad about that. He's the wise tax guru. I want to say though that the basis would be whatever you'd have sold them for, but I agree that sounds like a grey area..
 
Hey Rich, it turns out you were right, so you probably have not missed out on anything.. You cannot depreciate breeding animals that you raised, because the costs associated with raising them are deducted as expense items: feed, medicine, etc.
 
Hey Rich, it turns out you were right, so you probably have not missed out on anything.. You cannot depreciate breeding animals that you raised, because the costs associated with raising them are deducted as expense items: feed, medicine, etc.

Yeah, that is what I remembered from when I first set up "SerpenCo" back in 1985. But thanks for checking for me. Of course, had I been wrong, I guess the first part of my retirement would have been spent filing amended tax returns... :)
 
WOW!! And best of luck with your retirement. You and Connie certainly deserve it.

I wish I would have seen this sooner, I missed the final ordering by days and I had my eye on several from last year. Now I'll have to keep my eye out for the adults.

I agree with the others...write a book. And definitely keep the forum. I'm not as active on here as I've been, but it's such a wonderful source for all of us.

Hugs

Shannon
 
Rich, how did Daytona go?? Did Jeff Mohr clear out your stock?? Did you sell all the babies?

Actually, Jeff was like a moth drawn to the flame of my tables. I believe he was mugging old ladies on the beach to get more money to buy snakes from me. But I believe he got quite a LOT for his money.

Yes, we sold all the babies at Expo. Unfortunately I couldn't take everything with me, as the van only had room for nine (9) styros, and I needed at least one more to empty the racks. Also have a few more clutches left to hatch out, so I'm thinking there may be around 200 or so babies left to move out and that will be it for them. I'm planning on just sending them all to my wholesaler next week.

So that will mean the babies will be gone, and I can then concentrate on listing the adults. I probably need to do another complete inventory, and look at each animal to make sure they don't have any notable problems from breeding season. There are a few that need to go into the freezer that I am already aware of. Yeah, it sucks, but it's par for the course. If you are working with a large colony of animals, expect to lose a few each breeding season. Unfortunately, you don't get to choose which ones that will be, and it can sometimes be a real disappointment. One year I lost a REALLY nice Aztec Lavender female who had pushed her head through an opening she forced between a taped down lid on an egg laying box. She got herself hung up and could not draw her head back in, and apparently strangled herself. Crap like this will happen just about every year.

Oh well..... Connie and I stayed Sunday night in Daytona Beach since we didn't have any animals to worry about. Monday felt a lot like "pre-retirement" to us. And it sure felt GREAT not having to put several hundred animals back on the shelves that didn't sell at a show.

Right now I'm beat. Connie is sleeping out on the couch and I'm trying to catch up on some things before hitting the sack.

I guess now it's like I'm rounding third and heading for home.......
 
Well Rich.. you may someday refer to Jeff as your personal Mini-me. ;)

But I wish you the best of luck after retirement and look forward in seeing you here more at CS.com. I would love to see more wildlife videos from you. :) your videos are always fun to watch.
 
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