-
Hello!
Either you have not registered on this site yet, or you are registered but have not logged in. In either case, you will not be able to use the full functionality of this site until you have registered, and then logged in after your registration has been approved.
Registration is FREE, so please register so you can participate instead of remaining a lurker....
Please be certain that the location field is correctly filled out when you register. All registrations that appear to be bogus will be rejected. Which means that if your location field does NOT match the actual location of your registration IP address, then your registration will be rejected.
Sorry about the strictness of this requirement, but it is necessary to block spammers and scammers at the door as much as possible.
Snake non-feeding and colour loss
- Thread starter Arby
- Start date
wade
Save The Humans
Are you being sarcastic?
.
Yes and no. I am joking about the metric system. I do believe you are doing great. I think you are worrying too much and need to relax. I saw your picture on the Chit Chat forum and think your girlfriend is hot. I often joke so don’t take me too serious, unless I’m being serious. I often sound serious when I’m joking. It’s hard to know. But seriously, you are doing great and everything will be fine. Just need to be patient for a little while.
Lol, thanks 
. I think she's hot too (Unless you're being sarcastic again). And - it's just that I find it difficult to tell when people are joking anyway, it's even harder on a forum obviously. I naturally tend to worry about everything, i.e. "am I doing x right?". I'm glad to hear you think I'm doing ok so far .
. I think she's hot too (Unless you're being sarcastic again). And - it's just that I find it difficult to tell when people are joking anyway, it's even harder on a forum obviously. I naturally tend to worry about everything, i.e. "am I doing x right?". I'm glad to hear you think I'm doing ok so far .Just to keep everyone updated:
T'was feeding day again yesterday. I fed Taka as usual in the seperate tank, and he ate fine as usual.
We put a mouse on a saucer in Ammy's tank and put a towel over it and left it overnight - this morning she had still not eaten it. So I removed the top from her snake cave (she always sits right at the top of her snake cave, on the moss - is this wierd?) and have left her all day. She has still not eaten it, so I'll remove it soon.
Oh, and another thing I don't think I mentioned before - in the time I've had them, Taka has grown by nearly double, but Ammy hasn't increated in size at all! I don't know it this is related to not eating but it does worry me a little...
T'was feeding day again yesterday. I fed Taka as usual in the seperate tank, and he ate fine as usual.
We put a mouse on a saucer in Ammy's tank and put a towel over it and left it overnight - this morning she had still not eaten it. So I removed the top from her snake cave (she always sits right at the top of her snake cave, on the moss - is this wierd?) and have left her all day. She has still not eaten it, so I'll remove it soon
.Oh, and another thing I don't think I mentioned before - in the time I've had them, Taka has grown by nearly double, but Ammy hasn't increated in size at all! I don't know it this is related to not eating but it does worry me a little...
wade
Save The Humans
Dang it Arby, that's the wrong answer. This isn't what you are susposed to be telling us.
Yes, throw out the pinky. It's been long enough for it to spoil. Help me remember, how long has it been. Has Ammy eaten for you in the past. Often and regularly? How old is she? How's your hot girl friend, tell her I said hi.
Yes, throw out the pinky. It's been long enough for it to spoil. Help me remember, how long has it been. Has Ammy eaten for you in the past. Often and regularly? How old is she? How's your hot girl friend, tell her I said hi.
We've had them for 5 weeks, ish. They have had 4 feeding sessions - Taka has eaten every time, Ammy ate the first time and has missed the last 3 consecutive feedings. That's including leaving her overnight with the food, tease-feeding, braining and putting her in a tiny pot overnight with the Pinky. All no-go
And lmao, I will.
EDIT: Oh, and the new thermometers are fitted.
I have put the sensor under the substrate, on the plastic at the bottom of the tank, on the hot end, i.e. the hottest place it can possibly be in the tank.
They read 34.7c for Ammy and 35.8c for Taka.
EDIT2: And, Ammy was born on the 17/09/07. Probably ^^ (the slip that came with the pot from the pet shop doesn't make it that clear)
And lmao, I will.
EDIT: Oh, and the new thermometers are fitted.
I have put the sensor under the substrate, on the plastic at the bottom of the tank, on the hot end, i.e. the hottest place it can possibly be in the tank.
They read 34.7c for Ammy and 35.8c for Taka.
EDIT2: And, Ammy was born on the 17/09/07. Probably ^^ (the slip that came with the pot from the pet shop doesn't make it that clear)
wade
Save The Humans
Well my suggestion at this point is to be patient. But you hate that answer.
I'd wait a few days, find the smallest pinkie you can get, a brand new one. Live. I don't know what is available to you but live would be really good. Put Ammy in a small paper lunch sack with the live pinkie, roll the top down and pin it shut. Leave them over night.
I don't have a magic answer. The paper sack usually works for me. If she was eating good once, I am confident she will again.
You're lucky I don't live in the UK, I'm a real chick magnet.
I'd wait a few days, find the smallest pinkie you can get, a brand new one. Live. I don't know what is available to you but live would be really good. Put Ammy in a small paper lunch sack with the live pinkie, roll the top down and pin it shut. Leave them over night.
I don't have a magic answer. The paper sack usually works for me. If she was eating good once, I am confident she will again.
You're lucky I don't live in the UK, I'm a real chick magnet.
It's not legal to feed live in the UK . But I could go get a freshly frozen one from the store rather than the stockpile in my freezer if that would help? And I don't have anything like a paper lunch sack but I do have small deli cups (which I've tried before).
The fact that she has eaten once makes me happy too. But the trouble is getting her eating now. I'm hoping she'll just get so hungry that she'll eat it out of desperation, but that doesn't seem to be working, lol.
And... Dude, you're 57. My g/f is way too young for you =P. But, she says Hi back. And thanks you for your compliments.
. But I could go get a freshly frozen one from the store rather than the stockpile in my freezer if that would help? And I don't have anything like a paper lunch sack but I do have small deli cups (which I've tried before).The fact that she has eaten once makes me happy too. But the trouble is getting her eating now
. I'm hoping she'll just get so hungry that she'll eat it out of desperation, but that doesn't seem to be working, lol.And... Dude, you're 57. My g/f is way too young for you =P. But, she says Hi back. And thanks you for your compliments
.
wade
Save The Humans
57 is not all that old. I know lots of people older than me. Most of them are still living.
I forgot about live feeders in the UK. If you could get hold of a live pinkie, I'd break the law.
The paper bag isn't real important except that it is simi dark inside. Try to make your deli cup semi dark.
After that, just keep trying, ...dude...
I forgot about live feeders in the UK. If you could get hold of a live pinkie, I'd break the law.
The paper bag isn't real important except that it is simi dark inside. Try to make your deli cup semi dark.
After that, just keep trying, ...dude...
I didn't say that 57 is old, I said that it's old for a 21 y/o girl . And I'll see what I can do about the pinky - the pet shop near me sells mice, But I think only adult ones :/. But also, don't people say not to feed live because the mice can bite and scratch the snake?
As for making the cup dark, that's no problem. I'll just shut it in the cupboard.
Will do!
. And I'll see what I can do about the pinky - the pet shop near me sells mice, But I think only adult ones :/. But also, don't people say not to feed live because the mice can bite and scratch the snake?As for making the cup dark, that's no problem. I'll just shut it in the cupboard
.Will do!
JaimeP
The Eternal Student
It's true that you should try not to feed live once your snake has reached a size that they're eating full grown mice, but there's no way that a pinky mouse could injure your snake. They can't even really move, or see, so there's no real threat.
I've had a couple problem feeders out of my bunch... Still have one that refuses to eat out of my hand, but the second she's in her deli cup she's all over it.
My best trick is tease feeding, and it's actually the only way I feed my hatchlings (I think it establishes some kind of bond or something... and what's cooler than a snake eating out of your hand?) Hold the snake in one hand and the pink in the other. Move the snake and pink around so that the pink is pretty much always a cm or two away from the snake's mouth. Wiggle the pink around a bit so it seems like it's "alive." My babies always grab right onto the pink's head and start showin' it who's boss. Then again, if the problem is just that your snake's really shy, this probably won't work. However, it's always worked for me, so that's my suggestion...
The deli cup or tease feeding trick has worked for me, but here's a few tips I've picked up along the way:
-Try braining the pink (I think you mentioned that you've tried this, yeah?)
-Wash the pink
-Wash the pink, then dip it in chicken broth (this is if just washing it doesn't work)
-Wash the pink, then scent it with anoles (I don't know how expensive anoles are in the UK... so I don't know how feasible this option is for you)
Best of luck! I'm sure she'll eat for you soon, sometimes they just try to pretend that they're independent and difficult... a lot like most women! haha!
I've had a couple problem feeders out of my bunch... Still have one that refuses to eat out of my hand, but the second she's in her deli cup she's all over it.
My best trick is tease feeding, and it's actually the only way I feed my hatchlings (I think it establishes some kind of bond or something... and what's cooler than a snake eating out of your hand?) Hold the snake in one hand and the pink in the other. Move the snake and pink around so that the pink is pretty much always a cm or two away from the snake's mouth. Wiggle the pink around a bit so it seems like it's "alive." My babies always grab right onto the pink's head and start showin' it who's boss. Then again, if the problem is just that your snake's really shy, this probably won't work. However, it's always worked for me, so that's my suggestion...
The deli cup or tease feeding trick has worked for me, but here's a few tips I've picked up along the way:
-Try braining the pink (I think you mentioned that you've tried this, yeah?)
-Wash the pink
-Wash the pink, then dip it in chicken broth (this is if just washing it doesn't work)
-Wash the pink, then scent it with anoles (I don't know how expensive anoles are in the UK... so I don't know how feasible this option is for you)
Best of luck! I'm sure she'll eat for you soon, sometimes they just try to pretend that they're independent and difficult... a lot like most women! haha!
Susielea
Lily
Whoa Arby....did you say the temp on the hot spot is reading 34.7c if so that's about 94f so your hot spot is tooooo hot! The hot spot should be no more than 85f which is approx 29c. Idealy it should sit between 82f and 85f that's 27c to 29c i think.
You need to get a temperature thermostat (mat stat) to control the temperature. You can use one stat to control the temp of both your mats.
A temperary solution would be to raise the tanks above the mats on little blocks of wood/stacked coasters or anything else you've got to hand. Keep raising the tanks until the thermometer is reading the right temp, it may take a couple of days of adjusting until you find the right height to keep the temp stable.
This could be one of the reasons why Ammy is not eating.
Right, once the temps have been adjusted then a trick I've used with great success to get stubborn hatchlings to feed is, defrost the pink in warm water, get Ammy into a smaller container i.e deli cup, then just before dropping the pink into the cup gently, dunk the pink in very hot, not quite boiling water for a few seconds. I don't know why this works, maybe it removes all scent from the pink or maybe it's because it's so hot it attracts the hatchling, but I've used this method with a lot of success.
Hope that's helped a little more, best wishes,
P.S It is quite legal to feed live to your corn in the uk IF (note IF) it is the only way to keep the corn alive i.e you have exhausted all other methods and the snake will die if not fed live!
You need to get a temperature thermostat (mat stat) to control the temperature. You can use one stat to control the temp of both your mats.
A temperary solution would be to raise the tanks above the mats on little blocks of wood/stacked coasters or anything else you've got to hand. Keep raising the tanks until the thermometer is reading the right temp, it may take a couple of days of adjusting until you find the right height to keep the temp stable.
This could be one of the reasons why Ammy is not eating.
Right, once the temps have been adjusted then a trick I've used with great success to get stubborn hatchlings to feed is, defrost the pink in warm water, get Ammy into a smaller container i.e deli cup, then just before dropping the pink into the cup gently, dunk the pink in very hot, not quite boiling water for a few seconds. I don't know why this works, maybe it removes all scent from the pink or maybe it's because it's so hot it attracts the hatchling, but I've used this method with a lot of success.
Hope that's helped a little more, best wishes,
P.S It is quite legal to feed live to your corn in the uk IF (note IF) it is the only way to keep the corn alive i.e you have exhausted all other methods and the snake will die if not fed live!
Thanks for the replies people!
Pic 1
Pic 2
Pic 3
I've put her in this deli-cup with that mouse (in pictures) dunked in hot water, and put the pot back in her viv and turned the lights down dimly - she's been there for about 10 mins now.
If this doesn't work I'll try dunking it in Chicken Soup tomorrow or the next day (that's the same thing as Chicken Broth, right? I can't find Chicken Broth at the shop).
Just to keep you all updated!
Oh also I'm going to dig the thermostat out of the loft later this evening. How does it connect into, and control the mats? Do I need special mats? Or do I need to cut and re-wire the cable? As the mat simply has a mains plug that goes straight into the mat with no other connections. Thanks!
Pic 1
Pic 2
Pic 3
I've put her in this deli-cup with that mouse (in pictures) dunked in hot water, and put the pot back in her viv and turned the lights down dimly - she's been there for about 10 mins now.
If this doesn't work I'll try dunking it in Chicken Soup tomorrow or the next day (that's the same thing as Chicken Broth, right? I can't find Chicken Broth at the shop).
Just to keep you all updated!
Oh also I'm going to dig the thermostat out of the loft later this evening. How does it connect into, and control the mats? Do I need special mats? Or do I need to cut and re-wire the cable? As the mat simply has a mains plug that goes straight into the mat with no other connections. Thanks!
Ah, I've found the thermostat - it's a Habistat diming thermostat. It has a plug for UK mains and a socket for the mat. However, I have two mats to control - can I attatch a 4-gang power strip to the Habistat and run both mats off that? Or will I need a seperate Habistat for each viv? Also, what should I be shooting for, about 80f? And, should the heat sensor be placed above or below the substrate, and on the hot end or in the middle?
Thanks!
Thanks!
Susielea
Lily
Perfect size pot, that gives your little one nothing else to think about but the pinky, it focuses her attention.
A temp stat should have three wires coming out of the unit, one is the mains lead which you plug into the mains socket, the second should have a socket on the end of it which is what you plug a heat mat into and the third should be a sensor probe.
To control two mats of the same size, at the same temperature, just plug the mats into a two or more plug extension lead and plug the extension lead into the temp stat socket. Then put the probe from the stat on the bottom of one of the terrariums over the heat mat as you did the thermometer probe. Keep the thermometer probe there as well and once the thermometer reads the correct temp gently tweek the temp stat knob till the light goes off on the stat.
You will have to keep checking back to make sure the stat is holding the correct temps and adjust a little if neccesary either up or down. When the temp stat turns the mat off , the temperature will drop by a couple of degrees before it turns back on but this is fine. The whole point of the excercise is to have a hot spot no Higher than 85f and hopefully no lower than 82f.
So don't adjust the stat until it has been through a couple of cycles of on and off so you can see what is the highest temp it hits and what is the lowest temp it hits. If they are both in that range then "Bingo" your good to go.
Hope that helps, let us know how you get on.
A temp stat should have three wires coming out of the unit, one is the mains lead which you plug into the mains socket, the second should have a socket on the end of it which is what you plug a heat mat into and the third should be a sensor probe.
To control two mats of the same size, at the same temperature, just plug the mats into a two or more plug extension lead and plug the extension lead into the temp stat socket. Then put the probe from the stat on the bottom of one of the terrariums over the heat mat as you did the thermometer probe. Keep the thermometer probe there as well and once the thermometer reads the correct temp gently tweek the temp stat knob till the light goes off on the stat.
You will have to keep checking back to make sure the stat is holding the correct temps and adjust a little if neccesary either up or down. When the temp stat turns the mat off , the temperature will drop by a couple of degrees before it turns back on but this is fine. The whole point of the excercise is to have a hot spot no Higher than 85f and hopefully no lower than 82f.
So don't adjust the stat until it has been through a couple of cycles of on and off so you can see what is the highest temp it hits and what is the lowest temp it hits. If they are both in that range then "Bingo" your good to go.
Hope that helps, let us know how you get on.