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Tesseras already crashing?

That's completely what I'd expect for a variant like Tessera. Any new morph price will go through the floor once it reaches the hobby breeder market. Those which can be reproduced in F1 will go down twice as fast.

Nothing to do with your local or global economy - the Corn Snake market in my area actually appears to be recovering itself a bit this year. I don't think you can blame Obama for what happened with Golddusts!
 
jmho If they are still selling in the $400-$500 range I'd say for what they are they've done pretty well to keep their value.
 
knox said:
As a side note, I never understood the attraction to the striped Corns. If I have a Corn, I want saddles, not stripes. But that's just me. I have seen some beautiful Tesseras, but I wouldn't own one, myself.
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Cornsnakes are like wine. You start out liking the basics- classics, amels, anerys. They are the White Zins and Rieslings of the cornsnake world. Then you learn to appreciate the more complex types- plasmas, motley morphs, ice. Chardonnay, Pinot Noir. Eventually you develop a taste for stripe and can't see a new saddled morph, such as cinder lava, without imagining it in stripe. Viognier, Shiraz. And you start dreaming about Tessera and Terrazzo morphs, and the ultimate, the Palmetto. Bordeaux. If you drank that wine when you were first starting out, you couldn't stand the taste. It takes time to educate your palate.
 
I was talking about this the other day with John and I think Don is partly to blame. Gasp! But before anybody freaks out and emails him to rat me out, think about what I'm saying. He had the majority of the project to himself, if I understand things correctly. And what did he do? He loaned them out to everyone. He put them out there and people produced the hell out of them. Imagine how many of today's tessera and tessera combos would not exist if Don kept them to himself.

Don't get me wrong, I think Don is a great guy and he's been a wonderful pioneer in this hobby of ours, but he kind of shot the tessera price tag in the foot by loaning them out.
 
At this point, though, anyone who bought one of the first or second generation would be well on their way to producing their own morphs.

Strange to think this all came from three snakes.

I think I prefer things the way they are now. Affordable to anyone who really wants one. New morphs popping out all the time. This is the most exciting part of a new gene- when all the possibilities burst forth and breeders get to work on their _specific_ dream or vision for the ideal new morph.

It's not going to be very often that we get to watch the birth of a new pattern. This is so amazing.
 
Isn't it great that he gave us hobbyists the possibility to play with that gene instead of putting a palmetto price tag on them?! I don't care about the price drop, since I really don't have to earn money with my hobby, so from my perspective, I'm VERY THANKFUL that Don made this morph reachable for ordianry mortals in such a short time.

Thanks and kudos Don!!! I've already named my first Tessera keeper Mr. Soderberg :D
 
Kokopelli said:
Tessera is a Dominant gene in a VERY prolific species, it was obvious.
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That is probably the biggest factor of all. You have a dominant gene in a snake that "can" lay 20 eggs per clutch, then double clutch for a second batch of 20 eggs.

That is the potential for 20+ tesseras just from that one pairing. The prolific nature of corns makes it hard for a dominant gene to hold value.

JimGERcream said:
Isn't it great that he gave us hobbyists the possibility to play with that gene instead of putting a palmetto price tag on them?! I don't care about the price drop, since I really don't have to earn money with my hobby, so from my perspective, I'm VERY THANKFUL that Don made this morph reachable for ordianry mortals in such a short time.

Thanks and kudos Don!!! I've already named my first Tessera keeper Mr. Soderberg :D
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I agree. It's nice to see the morph out and about, and already emerging in combo gene animals.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Don was so kind. I don't need my corns to support myself. I was simply pointing out that he flooded the market, so to speak, and the value dropped a bit faster then it had to.
 
I don't see anything wrong with the prices dropping. Anyone who paid $600 - $1000 have more than made their money back by now. Soon, the Tesseras will be just another morph, and those that want them will be able to have them.

I think this is a great thing - they are going to become affordable for the average keeper.
 
Nanci said:
Cornsnakes are like wine. You start out liking the basics- classics, amels, anerys. They are the White Zins and Rieslings of the cornsnake world. Then you learn to appreciate the more complex types- plasmas, motley morphs, ice. Chardonnay, Pinot Noir. Eventually you develop a taste for stripe and can't see a new saddled morph, such as cinder lava, without imagining it in stripe. Viognier, Shiraz. And you start dreaming about Tessera and Terrazzo morphs, and the ultimate, the Palmetto. Bordeaux. If you drank that wine when you were first starting out, you couldn't stand the taste. It takes time to educate your palate.
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where's the like button;)..well said!!
 
knox said:
I don't see anything wrong with the prices dropping. Anyone who paid $600 - $1000 have more than made their money back by now. Soon, the Tesseras will be just another morph, and those that want them will be able to have them.

I think this is a great thing - they are going to become affordable for the average keeper.
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Okay but please keep in mind in my instance I paid a 1000$ for a breedable tessera and she refused to breed despite all my tricks / attempts... and those babies would have brought 900 to 1000 each so im out those. Cause next year they will be only worth half that if I'm lucky...

I paid another 1000$ for a pair with a breedable tessera and haven't sold one baby yet. I will need to hold back enough to do like Nanci said to make the designer morphs I want to see... So not everybody has made their money back...
 
exar15xe said:
Okay but please keep in mind in my instance I paid a 1000$ for a breedable tessera and she refused to breed despite all my tricks / attempts... and those babies would have brought 900 to 1000 each so im out those. Cause next year they will be only worth half that if I'm lucky...

I paid another 1000$ for a pair with a breedable tessera and haven't sold one baby yet. I will need to hold back enough to do like Nanci said to make the designer morphs I want to see... So not everybody has made their money back...
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If you sold 6 babies from each breeding pair, though, for $200 you have pretty much broken even - less food and heating costs, right?
 
knox said:
If you sold 6 babies from each breeding pair, though, for $200 you have pretty much broken even - less food and heating costs, right?
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Yes maybe but I dont have six available, I have to hold back in order to breed back to make morphs... no I havent broke even yet. Plus a year or two down the road these babies would be bread back to each other and certainly wouldn't be bringing what they would bring now...

The one female didnt breed so I cant sell anything from that female. The other one that breed only had six tesseras... Im not trying to be a grump I just want you to see the other side of the coin and not think everybody is making a killing...
 
exar15xe said:
I just want you to see the other side of the coin and not think everybody is making a killing...
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I didn't mean to come across that way - sorry if that's how it sounded. I do understand your predicament. It is always a risk when we buy an animal and it doesn't turn out as we hoped.

Wishing you success...
 
knox said:
I didn't mean to come across that way - sorry if that's how it sounded. I do understand your predicament. It is always a risk when we buy an animal and it doesn't turn out as we hoped.

Wishing you success...
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Well thank you.

Some of the previous post about people not relying on their cornsnake's to support themselves is not the case with everyone. If mine didnt support themselves or make any money "to invest back into the hobby" I could not be in this hobby.
 
If people kept paying high prices when more and more are now available I would just think isomething was wrong with them. The drop in price is a natural progression in any morph and it doesn't seem the fact tessera is dominant is accelerating its decline in value that much or any faster than any other morph. My tessera came through a trade, it was about the time the females were going for $650 or so and I traded a trio of cinder corns (then worth about $200 ea) to get her. Both morphs have dropped in value so the trade would probably work as well now as it did then. I don't see that the tessera has dropped any faster than the cinder, they both have.
At least I will never feel like I have to make my money back out of my snake because I didn't spend actual cash to get her. I would hate to feel as if any animal came with strings attached as in pressure to make your investment back. I plan to try and make anery tesseras, I find it a very attractive morph and I don't want to take the fun out of it by focusing on what they will be worth at the point I am able to create them.
 
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