What morph is this corn?

[Outcast]

Susan, I would say that 2,3,5 are hypo's and 1,4 are normals...

 

[atmox]

Susan, I would say that 2,3,5 are hypo's and 1,4 are normals...

agreed, number 3 also looks like he's in blue or it's an hypo dilute xD

 

[OkeeteeMom]

No, that pic's pretty accurate as to her true coloring...taken outside in natural light. As for the pics, if I knew the answer, I wouldn't be asking!

LOL, poor Terry!

To test your skills, which of the following are hypos (hypo A) and which are normals. Some belly photos will follow.

Susan, what in the world made Zelda go all Triangle head?! Does she hate trees? :rofl:

 

[Terry Allan Hall]

A pic of Grace's belly:

Like I said, kind of medium-brown markings, with a bit of gold in places.

 

[Susan]

No, that pic's pretty accurate as to her true coloring...taken outside in natural light.

As for the pics, if I knew the answer, I wouldn't be asking!

Your photo shows too much red, IMO. The white shirt is more pink than white and if the red doesn't need to be altered, then the person holding your snake has a severe case of sunburn and needs to see a doctor. I'll see what I can do with it and post it again for you.

The snakes I posted are simply examples as to just how difficult it can be to tell by phenotype alone whether a snake is a normal or a hypo. I've added some additional photos to see if anyone wants to make any changes to their guesses.

Zythe's belly (#2 above)

Zelda's belly (#5 above)

Below is:

Melia's belly (#1 above)
Dazzle's belly and then a different/better photo of him (#3 above)
Zm's belly (#4 above)

 

[Susan]

OK, tweaked the color a bit on your photo. Still could be either a normal or a hypo, but I'm leaning towards a nice normal.

 

[OkeeteeMom]

Removing the reddish tint...much better Susan. I know everyone's monitors display differently, but I was seeing too much red, too.

 

[rich333]

agreed, number 3 also looks like he's in blue or it's an hypo dilute xD

I'm gonna 2,3 are hypo the rest normal's

 

[WingedSweetheart]

It can be really hard to tell a normal and a hypo apart unless you breed to make sure. Some normals can have little black and look hypo but are not. Some hypos can have a little more black and look normal but are not. Unless you have a clearly normal or clearly hypo snake then it is going to be pretty much impossible to tell.

Here is my hypo's belly. You can see she has no black checks but a few purple/gray looking ones.

 

[Reptileman81]

I am saying hypo with the color on my screen and the quality of the pic. It would be a stretch but I see some nice red-pink color so maybe just maybe even Strawberry gene. But really only way to tell is breed breed breed.

 

[Reptileman81]

Sorry Susan didnt catch the color tweak until after my post. I think now with the color tweaked I am going to go with a nice normal as well. Regardless a nice looking animal.

 

[Terry Allan Hall]

My daughter got quite a kick out of you turning her into a Caucasian, Susan, as she used to wonder how she'd look as one. :roflmao:

Seriously, now, Grace's belly is kinda the color of the 3rd attachment from the top...brown w/ gold...so what's the verdict?

 

[Terry Allan Hall]

Oooops, 2nd attachment, not 3rd. Sorry.

 

[runninghorsespirit]

hypo is my best guess

 

[Susan]

#1 - Melia - Hypo proven by breeding trial
#2 - Zythe - Normal proven by breeding trial
#3 - Dazzle - Normal (known lineage - full sibling to Zythe but a year younger)
#4 - Zim - Hypo from trusted breeder (Carol @ Low Belly)
#5 - Zelda - Normal (known lineage - mother of both Zythe and Dazzle - all produced by me - line bred from wc zigzag line and known non-hypo snow)

In many cases, you can identify a hypo from a normal, but this exercise is a reminder that not everything is as it appears. Just because a snake has greatly reduced black on the belly and dorsal pattern doesn't mean it has to be a genetic hypo. And a hypo doesn't always have to have a dramatically reduced black belly pattern (Melia's dorsal black and belly checks do show a faint "bronzing" upon close examination under the proper lighting, but in a photo, forget it!).

From the minimal photographic information provided by the OP, I would call Grace a normal as I see no evidence to show otherwise. Perhaps additional photos with true color and more of a macro view will show that the snake is a hypo, but until then, it is better to use a little caution in the labeling.

And as for "turning your daughter into a Caucasian", I can't help what the photo shows. All I did was decrease the red tint that was obvious in the photo you posted.

 

[Terry Allan Hall]

#1 - Melia - Hypo proven by breeding trial
#2 - Zythe - Normal proven by breeding trial
#3 - Dazzle - Normal (known lineage - full sibling to Zythe but a year younger)
#4 - Zim - Hypo from trusted breeder (Carol @ Low Belly)
#5 - Zelda - Normal (known lineage - mother of both Zythe and Dazzle - all produced by me - line bred from wc zigzag line and known non-hypo snow)

In many cases, you can identify a hypo from a normal, but this exercise is a reminder that not everything is as it appears. Just because a snake has greatly reduced black on the belly and dorsal pattern doesn't mean it has to be a genetic hypo. And a hypo doesn't always have to have a dramatically reduced black belly pattern (Melia's dorsal black and belly checks do show a faint "bronzing" upon close examination under the proper lighting, but in a photo, forget it!).

From the minimal photographic information provided by the OP, I would call Grace a normal as I see no evidence to show otherwise. Perhaps additional photos with true color and more of a macro view will show that the snake is a hypo, but until then, it is better to use a little caution in the labeling.

And as for "turning your daughter into a Caucasian", I can't help what the photo shows. All I did was decrease the red tint that was obvious in the photo you posted.

Had you not "changed" the color of the photo, both Grace and my daughter's skin tones would have been accurate...It's a common enough mistake, Susan, so don't get too ruffled over your mis-assumption. Nobody's right all the time. We humans come in many ethnicities, with many shades.

:cheers:

 

[atmox]

Had you not "changed" the color of the photo, both Grace and my daughter's skin tones would have been accurate...It's a common enough mistake, Susan, so don't get too ruffled over your mis-assumption. Nobody's right all the time. We humans come in many ethnicities, with many shades.

:cheers:

so the snake is really that red? Than it probably isn't a normal is it? (question towards Susan) I think strawberry and lava morph isn't that common so i would be surprised if it is any of those 2. I'm puzzled..

 

[Christen]

Normals can be very red as well. Here is a picture of one of my babies he kind of has a hypo looking belly too but he was proved last year to not even be het hypo.

 

[Snakehead]

Here is yet another Hypo looking Corn but in fact its normal. Not typical, but normal. Hypo is actually a reduction or better yet ilimination of the black pigment, where as many normals display a reduction of the black pattern areas.

 

[Terry Allan Hall]

so the snake is really that red? Than it probably isn't a normal is it? (question towards Susan) I think strawberry and lava morph isn't that common so i would be surprised if it is any of those 2. I'm puzzled..

Yes, Grace really is that red...as to whether or not the's a "normal" or a "hyper", I truly don't know, which is why I asked.

I help out the local animal control w/ reptiles and I got her, along with some aquatic turtles back in October, because the previous owner moved away, leaving all her pets behind (there were some cockatiels, a cat, an aquarium full of tropical fish, a rodent of some kind - possibly a jerboa, but it was gone before I arrived - the turtles and Grace...found homes for the turtles and my wife and daughter demanded that I keep Grace - and, to be honest, it really didn't require a lot of arm-twisting ).

Anyway, after joining up here and looking at the AMAZING variety of colors and patterns that cornsnakes can come in (previously, I guess I was aware of only snows, pink albinos and normals), we wondered what morph Grace might be.

And I very mucyh appreciate all y'all's making the efforts to help us find out...and my daughter appreciates Susan making her Caucasian For A Day...she found that very amusing, and we played around with our photo editing software last night changing her hair and eye color, too!