xxFrootLoopxx
Lurking around the corner
OH... and the plastic tub would need air holes.... perhaps your dad could use a soldering iron to make little air holes? Just a suggestion.
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Kokopelli
Resident Boa Fanatic
Because I couldn't care less about his or her father, that's why. The did is done, there are two snakes and a kid involved. The responsibility currently lays on the child's shoulders. ("SnakeNewbie"'s) and the fact that -even though- his father feels the way he does, SnakeNewbie still logs on and still asks for information simply proves that he has a rather decent sense of judgment.
It is my firm belief that the only reason for this fact being presented by SnakeNewbie was in self defense when faced with all those comments.
So someone things we're all dumb or insane, how uncommon for human beings to be idiots hmm?. Who cares people? we all face stupid calls of judgment based on nothing and endure it on a daily basis. Sometimes we are even the offenders- the nature of first impression et cetera.
SnakeNewbie proved that even though his father may say something like that, he is still here, and still wants to learn.
I don't want to force anyone into answering- but there's really no need to reply viciously, better not answer period.
That's my opinion anyways.
As for your snakes- I am probably going to be strangled here but sorry, I have quite a few friends who co-habit their snakes, and so did I for a brief period of time(around a month or so?) due to practical reasons. You want to call it negligence? whatever, it worked out perfectly with no ill effect.
You can hold on with it as long as you keep the following things in mind:
1- Do -NOT- feed your snakes live prey, certainly not within the same tank. I suggest taking one out, putting him in a different container(much smaller than a tank, something he can briefly be in, eat and be taken out). Once that snake is done, put him back in the viv and feed the other one in the separate container.
2- Keep constant vigilance, cannibalism is extremely rare and should not occur if the snakes are kept well fed. You should make sure there are enough shelters(easily provided by cutting the cardboard base of a toilet paper, cutting it's middle to create to small caves- rinse and repeat.
3- If any signs of aggression are exhibited such as one snake biting the other or anything of the sort- immediately remove one of your snakes.
4- Co habbing is extremely discouraged if the snakes are older than 6 months and are from different genders(male and female). Due to the threat of premature impregnation.
This is a very temporary solution, and one which I am not overly fond of, to say the least.
You can easily create another viv by using a plastic kitchen box, or even an ice-cream box(here in Israel these are mostly plastic too), make holes in them(not while the snakes are inside!) and that's that.
Personally I would rather co-habit two snakes than put one in an unsafe box from which he may end up escaping.
That's my opinion on the matter anyways,
I do not encourage people to co habit their snakes, but I recognize the fact that sometimes we don't have the means to immediately change things.
Best of luck.
TripleMoonsExotic
I <3 Stripes!
Unsafe box? Escaping? What kind of tubs do you have? I have kept hundreds of snakes in plastic tubs (all shapes, all sizes) and had zero escapes (unless you count the time a boa broke the latch on his cage and decided it would be fun to push behind the Cornsnake racks and let 6 of them out - I think they were having a party while we were away for the weekend :laugh
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starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
Rich in Ky pmed me. Is there another Rich here??? and I honestly came on here so I could get help about snakes becuae this is my first time owning an animal not like a dog or a cat.
LOL!! Rich in KY is a VERY nice guy...but definately not the first Rich we all thought of, that's for sure. Anyway, I'm glad you're working on getting them seperated. Every minute of every day your little ones are stressing each other out!
Corny Noob
Proud Momma
I'm not even going to respond to that whole long post, in every aspect at least.
But I will say, at 13 the dad has the ultimate say, no matter what we say the dad still feels the same way. We could educate this member till the cows come home.
And he still thinks we're all stupid, you me, and even Rich and Kathy.
But I will say, at 13 the dad has the ultimate say, no matter what we say the dad still feels the same way. We could educate this member till the cows come home.
And he still thinks we're all stupid, you me, and even Rich and Kathy.
Kokopelli
Resident Boa Fanatic
Unsafe box? Escaping? What kind of tubs do you have? I have kept hundreds of snakes in plastic tubs (all shapes, all sizes) and had zero escapes (unless you count the time a boa broke the latch on his cage and decided it would be fun to push behind the Cornsnake racks and let 6 of them out - I think they were having a party while we were away for the weekend :laugh
I apologize for living in Israel where there aren't too many boxes fit to house snakes in every store. Or that they cost here around... 8X the price that they do in abroad.
TripleMoonsExotic
I <3 Stripes!
No need to apology for living in another country. But the kid is in California...No one on the forum would recommend something that is easily escapable or unsafe. It doesn't make sense to recommend that he separate the snakes and then put one into something where something else bad can happen.
susang
New member
Here is the thing I doubt all of follow all of the rules all of the time. I don't remember who it was, a big breeder who said he didn't use thermostats, some don't use heaters especially in FL.
As far as co-habbing yes I see it all the time in pet stores, fine. I did with my first two hatchlings until one killed the other, I even did again thinking the first time was a fluke. Someone convinced me it would be OK especially with two males. They both lived but the aggression was nasty for that one hour. That is when I found this forum.
The sad thing is a plastic shoe box at Walmart is under $1.00, I'm not as concerned about heat right now.
I agree with Jen, this is on the father, he is the adult. All of the comments the supposed Dad has made could be madeup, Dad may not know what is going on at all. I also believe a few people have asked OP to put Dad on so we could talk to him.
As far as co-habbing yes I see it all the time in pet stores, fine. I did with my first two hatchlings until one killed the other, I even did again thinking the first time was a fluke. Someone convinced me it would be OK especially with two males. They both lived but the aggression was nasty for that one hour. That is when I found this forum.
The sad thing is a plastic shoe box at Walmart is under $1.00, I'm not as concerned about heat right now.
I agree with Jen, this is on the father, he is the adult. All of the comments the supposed Dad has made could be madeup, Dad may not know what is going on at all. I also believe a few people have asked OP to put Dad on so we could talk to him.
TripleMoonsExotic
I <3 Stripes!
Kokopelli
Resident Boa Fanatic
Sigh... wish we had walmart here...
a proper plastic shoebox here would cost around... erm, 10-15$ easy.
And sadly the salaries in Israel compared to those in the US are a deal smaller.
Anyways, no biggy. All I am saying is that even though the father may be responsible for the situation- bombarding the kid about it will simply make him defend himself and his father- that's the thing I would have done, to be honest, looking from a "younger" perspective of course.
Whoever has the patience to do so- simply focus on helping the kid out...otherwise he will simply try to look for answers elsewhere, where they may or may not be true and solid as the information handed in these forums.
a proper plastic shoebox here would cost around... erm, 10-15$ easy.
And sadly the salaries in Israel compared to those in the US are a deal smaller.
Anyways, no biggy. All I am saying is that even though the father may be responsible for the situation- bombarding the kid about it will simply make him defend himself and his father- that's the thing I would have done, to be honest, looking from a "younger" perspective of course.
Whoever has the patience to do so- simply focus on helping the kid out...otherwise he will simply try to look for answers elsewhere, where they may or may not be true and solid as the information handed in these forums.
ghosthousecorns
Well-known member
I don't have pictures, but when I set out to divide a tank I measured the size I would need and then went to a glass place and asked for them to cut me a piece that size, then I glued it in place with aquarium grade silicone. The snakes will have to live elsewhere while the glue cures, but voila in a couple of days you have a nice divided tank. Put the UTH in the middle so they each have a warm side. Of course if you do this with a 10 gallon, corn snakes will be outgrowing that so it makes more sense to divide a big 55 gallon were they can live out their lives as adults.
TripleMoonsExotic
I <3 Stripes!
Kokopelli said:
My tubs come from Target over Walmart.
Yes, I'm aware of that...But it would hold him for quite a few months while he saves up for the appropriate enclosures.
Diva
Doomcookie
Kokopelli has a point. Where things may be one way where you live, it may not be in another country. Or even another state. We make judgements based on what we know from around us. But if you lived somewhere else, you may very well have grow with a different outlook on things.
Everyone does what they think is Best at the time. And yes some things go wrong, and sometimes the snakes eat each other or fight. People do it too. Heck mice eat their own babies but you dont hear people complaining about people keeping mice together. Its natural, its bound to happen. The reason most people complain about cohabbing snakes, is because its more money being invested, whether they accept that or not. You dont know what the snakes are thinking any more than a goldfish. If they're shedding fine, acting "normal", feeding without regurging, and not attacking each other, then i think people are going vastly too far out of their way to find something to bicker and complain about. I bet there are more cohab success stories out there than people hear about, simply because not every snake owner on the planet is on this forum. Many may not be on snake forums at all, if they even have Internet or a computer.
Some people are just doing the Best that they can right now. Maybe, one day they will have the ability to make it Better. Until then, unless you care to pay for the stuff For Them and fix the problem yourself: Theres no reason to Criticize people for it. Explaining the possible problems to them is fine, but dont Criticize people and make them feel like they're being attacked.
And as far as attacking the kid and saying "why'd you buy another one then?!" or whatever it was... Two snakes, or the 10 from the pet store... either way the snake would have been with another snake, right? Who are we to deny the kid having his pals. You dont run around telling your friends not to buy a cat because they have a dog do you?
Though, on one side, everybody is right about the handling issue. The snakes should be left alone to get used to their new surroundings. BUT he should atleast watch the tank, and Check on them from time to time to watch and see if they get agressive towards each other. If it happens, then he should seperate them somehow. Give them time to chill out and see if it happens again. If it does, remove it perminantly. Find something else to house it in until he can afford another big tank. A box with air holes smaller than the snake works fine. put some news paper down or something likewise easy to change out and clean up. A water dish the snake cant tip over, paper rolls make good hides, and a heat source. As long as he doesnt put the UTH he has on something that will burn or melt, hes ok lol. But thats just common sense.
Until i get more money, i have cohab going on too. Its just how things are. Nature will happen if thats how things are ment to be. Im sure in the outside world, in the wild, snakes get pregnant early, and snakes become food to not just other snakes but other animals and Humans too. I'm personally guilty of having once tried Snake meat. It tastes like chicken.
And, because its human nature, im pretty sure im probably going to get snide remarks and ugly comments in return for this, but its my opinion. Take it to heart, or dont. Thats your choice and i cant change that. But i do Hope, that some of you will read this and realize that some things arent always done the way other people would Like.
Kokopelli
Resident Boa Fanatic
Extremely well versed and reasoned. Thank you
xxFrootLoopxx
Lurking around the corner
I think the main problem with the kid getting another snake is that he/she still hadn't worked out everything for the first. It seems impulsive and unreasonable to get another when accommodations have not been completed for the first pet.
starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
Bingo!!!!!
Diva
Doomcookie
For all we know hes a child, teenager. Whatever term you wish to use. What child/teenager do you know that Doesnt do things impulsively every once in a while? Its nature too. Though i do agree, he should have had the tank completely set up and close to "correct" as possible before buying his second snake, whats done is done. All we can do is guide him, and hope that in the -near- future, he can make things better for his snakes.
starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
Well, yes Markel, you were who I meant.....
just a strange coincedence though....doncha think?
xxFrootLoopxx
Lurking around the corner
I like the term "tween" for that age group lol
And I know; the younger they are the more impatient/impulsive they are. I also agree that we should try to help him/her as much as possible, though it is frustrating when it seems like they don't listen. :shrug:
I really hope that things will work out okay for the kid's snakes.