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PILE-O LAVAS & LAVA CINDERS !!

adsclarke said:
This is going to be a nightmare update to the corncalc! :)
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Corncalc is yours? Can You please please please please please please x infinity make an iPhone app- NOT like the only one that is already there...

I use Corncalc ALL the time. I would so love to have it, just the way it is- don't need any pictures or crap, right on my phone...
 
I'm on a droid, but I would buy that app as well. Would love to see tessera, palmetto, scaleless, cinder, and a few other mutations added.
 
Hey - We're sorta hijacking the thread here but I do plan to update the corncalc and there will be a mobile version of it - albeit not an app as such - just formatted for use on a phone. You would still need a net connection for it. Won't be for a while as I am just so busy at the moment. I know I need to add more genes but the engine doesn't handle dominant genes as yet so needs a rewrite.

PM me if you like.
 
Walter Smith said:
Way to go Jen !!! That did help a little. Back in 2009 I had a total of 33 breedings with only ( 1 ) Cinder related breeding.

The pair was ID ~ BJ59..........pictured

SIRE: BJ = Upper Keys Miami het Amel Cinder - a 2007 aquired from Carol Huddleston

DAME: 59 = Upper Keys het Cinder - a 2006 aquired from Danny Wynn

That's as far as I can go, because I don't have info on THEIR parents ??

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
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A little late coming to the party. I purchased the DAME as part of a pair. She was produced by Rich Z from his original "Ashy" female.
 
As far as I'm aware, there are no species of snakes that have gender determined by incubation temp or the like. As far as I'm aware, all species of snakes have gender determined by sex chromosomes.
 
So I am basically considering this case closed in terms of the explanation as to why some het females only produce male cinders and others can produce both male and female cinders. There are really only minor details such as whether it is truly an inversion that is suppressing crossover. Thank you to everyone that has contributed data. I am still collecting data and making pedigrees to make the whole story as presentable as possible. Based on communications with Walter, I have enough eggs from him to do some statistics, which affirm with over 99% confidence that cinder is not assorting independently of sex in his het cinder females. In the future we are working on pooling results from multiple clutches of each het cinder female. Carol has also been very helpful due to having some het cinders that show sex-linkage and others that do not. Additionally, she has kept helpful records and has been kind enough to communicate with me and answer my questions.

What will be interesting is whether other people have experienced the same result when producing their own het cinder females by pairing a homo or het cinder male to a homozygous wt female. Has anyone done this and produced het cinder daughters that were only able to produce cinder males? It is easier to interpret the results if the het cinder daughters are mated with homo cinder males.
 
ghosthousecorns said:
I'm hoping the person that bought Zenny's sister "Zpade" gets back to me, he bred her and she had cinder babies this year.
Also, I have another project going where I bred a cinder male to a lavender female,if your theory is valid would all the het cinders I held back from this pairing be able to produce only males? I'm still trying to grasp this.
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Jen, I recently talked to Matt, and he said he ahd 14 babies from Zpade X Aragorn (homo Cinder het Hypo), he said he had a 1/3 females/males ratio of the babies.
He had a mix of Cinders and Hypo Cinders.
 
This makes sense, since she was able to make male and female cinders before and so was her sister, with whom she shares a W chromosome.
 
Jen, I recently talked to Matt, and he said he ahd 14 babies from Zpade X Aragorn (homo Cinder het Hypo), he said he had a 1/3 females/males ratio of the babies.
He had a mix of Cinders and Hypo Cinders
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(I'm assuming there were both male and female homozygous cinder offspring?)
 
Thanks! Even if she didn't make any female cinders this year it could be due to chance since it doesn't look like she produced many females period in that clutch. She made them before and there is no mechanism for the male to contribute to the outcome since he gives a Z to all his children whether they are male or female. But more numbers is always good!
 
DuxorW said:
Thanks! Even if she didn't make any female cinders this year it could be due to chance since it doesn't look like she produced many females period in that clutch. She made them before and there is no mechanism for the male to contribute to the outcome since he gives a Z to all his children whether they are male or female. But more numbers is always good!
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This is all incredibly interesting to me, and I am going to be paying attention to more detail in future clutches.
I will actually be seeing the babies from the Zpade X Aragorn tomorrow. I'm picking up one of the Cinder males from him.
 
Yeah, a project for me this week will be to try to write up a more coherent explanation for all this with maybe a few pictures. I had to tweak the explanation in light of new data but I don't think it is going to change again. People might be misled if they read earlier posts in the thread but didn't follow up on it.
 
I spoke with Matt today (And picked up a Cinder (het hypo) male and a het Cinder Hypo female).
He got 4 Hypo Cinders at least one was a female (one was D.I.E.) at least 2 normals w/ hets (possibly up to 4) and the rest were Cinders, some males, some females.
He was in a rush and didn't have his numbers written down. There were 17 total babies, including the D.I.E.
He has two at large, unknown morphs on those two. He thinks he has at least 30% females, possibly more.
 
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