Naming of the Ultra Hypo "Amber" Corn

I brought this up briefly in the Photo Gallery forum but thought it would be more appropriate here. I am uncomfortable with the "Amber" corn created by Mike Shiver using the Ultra Hypo Line carrying the same name as the line I have been working on based on the (supposedly) type 'A' form of Hypomelanism. Compatibility issues haven't been addressed yet, but certainly this creation of Mike's is definitely a horse of a different color.

I am proposing that we start early in this game by calling this line by a new and separately identifying name to help prevent some additional confusion the will certainly result by calling this line as Amber Corns.

I obtained the original adult male that Mike produced that I believe started off this line (and of his "Amber" Motleys) and after viewing this animal, the name that most often popped into my mind was "GoldDust" Corn, from it's very obvious brilliant golden hue. Not saying this is the best name for it, and obviously I would like to have Mike's input on this as well, if he is still in the business, but I felt that we really should address this NOW while there are not that many animals floating about and we can maybe help the situation by applying a unique name to this line before it becomes too late to do much about it.

Any discussion about this would be welcome.



Pretty, isn't he?

The Motleys coming out of this line are absolutely stunning looking.

my first......

.....suggestion is "Saffron" Corn.

Definition:
1: A moderate or strong orange yellow.
2: An orange or deep yellow color, like that of the stigmas of the Crocus Sativas. ( A flower )

This discribes the intense YELLOW coloration of this line.

Walter

My second....

.....suggestion is "Ochre" Corn.

again, for the intense YELLOW coloration.

Definition:
1: A moderate orange/yellow, from moderate or deep orange to moderate or strong yellow.
2: A name for a pigment used to color paint.

Actually, I think this one rolls off the tounge better. Also, it's sound is close to "Amber".
Try it, "Ochre". It's pronounced ( Oak - er )

Walter

'sunrise' or 'sunburst' for the beautiful yellow and golden shades or let me be really silly howz about .............................................................................wait for it ... mustard corn

Yeah, my first thought was ochre...as in yellow ochre, an intense yellow color of paint. My second was cadmium, which is actually closer to the color of that snake.



Cadmium Yellow

heres another butterscotch

nope. can't do butterscotch....

Don at SMR has the butterscotch name for his golden/amber colored corns, supposedly crossed with emoryi's.

If I may make suggestions, looking through thesaurus', saffron and ochre have several synonyms including: bisque, chrome, lemon, saffron, aureate, auric, auriferous, aurous, aurulent, blonde, flaxen, golden, honeyed, ochroid, straw, tawny, wheat, sand, buff, and my favorite.....canary.

Actually, for me, it would be a close toss-up between canary, tawny, and blonde. Although, ochre isnt too bad. I like how Canary Corn sounds

any other suggestions?

Wes Spinks

I like canary corn

I dont see whats wrong with calling them Ultra Hypo Amber corns though. This is how we got into trouble with the bloodreds. The Ultra gene hasnt been proven as a fourth type of hypo yet has it? Then again, if its the same gene as the Lava we can just them Lava Ambers.

Wes........

...... I did the same thing. I went to Thesaurus.com and typed in YELLOW and it gave me basically the same list you posted, but what I did is then transfered to Dictionary.com and typed in the words to get their definitions. That's where I got the definitions of the two suggestions that I posted.

I suggested those two words because of the fact that the definition explains the INTENSE yellow that this line exibits.

After all, that is the main topic or interest in this line from the replies that I've read about them.

I think what we really need to know is are we looking for a good name to describe the coloration of this line or are we looking for a name to describe the "Ultra Hypo" triat in this line?

I think it would be a little more complicated to discribe the "Ultra Hypo" gene rather than the coloration, but by naming it by coloration will aslo cover the 'Ultra Hypo" trait.

Walter

I vote for Saffron. Although Ochre fits, it brings to my mind more of the shades of red/brown rather than yellow. Saffron, however, brings to mind not only the color, but also the highly sought-after spice. This morph will also be highly sought-after...I want one already!

Heck, I thought I was well read, but to be honest, hearing the name "Saffron Corn" would draw a complete blank in my mind trying to think what it looks like. Have I been living in the woods too long? Is this word going to draw a picture for most of the people who hear it? I don't know, just doesn't seem to have any "pizzaz" in the name to me.

Does anyone know if Mike Shiver is still in business? I thought I heard he got out of it recently.

I dont see whats wrong with calling them Ultra Hypo Amber corns though.

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Well, since an Amber is a hypomelanistic Caramel, it sounds rather redundant to me. That would be as scary as calling a line as the Sunkissed Hypo Okeetee Corns. Kind of defeats the purpose of contemplating a name to reduce confusion, in my opinion.

And no, the jury is still out on what exactly Ultra Hypo is compatible with. Matter of fact, it would not shock me unduly to find that there is more than one variation of the Ultra Hypo anyway. I am not even certain that ALL of the Ultra Hypos came from the same original source. Mine all came from Mike Falcon, but I'm not sure where Mike Shiver got his from.

I agree with Walter's first choice and Susan seconding it. Saffron...I think it a cool word and rolls off the tongue rather nicely! Also as Susan pointed out...saffron is highly sought after and rather pricey as well!

Great idea...IMO!

Quigs

Saffron doesn't ring a bell for me. I had never heard it before now.

How about Parkay? You know, Iooks like Butter but it's not.


I like the sound of Gold or Golden something or other......

Be careful. . .

Rich told me once that he named crimson corns based on the first animals and that name didn't accurately describe the crimsons of today. I know I have never yet seen one that I'd compare to Crayola's crimson crayon. I know there are a few of these ultra ambers out there now, but are we sure this is going to be their color in two more generations? Just posing the notion. All I have seen so far are this color. I don't think it's the color it should be named for since I have some regular ambers almost the same color but with more black than the ultras.

Since this snake is a variant of the amber and modified by the type of hypo (ultra), I like the idea of calling it an ultra amber. The few I've seen are almost devoid of black and ultra would not only associate it with the type of hypo that produced it, but ultra as an adjective is quite descriptive. How much less melanin could there possibly be without being a butter? Ultra is descriptive of the most melanin you can eliminate and still have dark eyes.

BTW re: butterscotch corns. I have no knowledge that butterscotch corns have Emory's in them. Sheesh. People sure RUN with rumors.

Gold or Golden like Clint said. Safron reminds me of a cooking term not a color. I must have been in the woods to long too. Gold brings to mind a color and dust gives you the little bits of dark a great choice plus your the guy who types the name on the sale page Rich.
Peace Paul

Nice looking snake~

That photo somehow shows some lava gene in it~~

maybe somehow the Ultra gene is compatible with the Lava gene..?

Anyway great snake~~

sorry not too much help on the naming~~

I vote Saffron or something more "golden" but i don't really care, Ultra amber is fine for now so i think we should wait until all the hypo genes are made slightly clearer this year, but what happens if Lava and Ultra are not the same but codominant?? that would add even more confusion! and Don makes a good point, the caramel gene is already highly variable so who knows what a few generations will do :shrugs:

Also i don't think Canary corn is a good idea b/c some people take names too literally and may think "hey, corns from canary island!" LOL I had a guy today try to sell me an amel corn as a super rare cambodian boa! :roflmao: :laugh: I was almost interested b/c he was a really nice big male but i passed...after pointing out his error, you shoudl have seen the look on his face! i found out that that is what he bought it as from a local breeder! I wish more people would do their research...

Oh ~~

I don't think that Saffron does work....
cause I have been re -reading this post again and again and I still don't think that Saffron clicks~

I don' tknow..
I think that Ultra amber works well.
Easy to read and easy to understand...at least for me~~

True Rich. It is redundent but until we prove the Hypo as being a separate fourth type of hypo, what choice do we have? How about ULTRA AMBERS!!!!!! That sounds nice and aggresive to me and after seeing the ULTRA AMBER MOTLEYS in person at Ken Sifferts place, the name is surely fair and descriptive.

Mike Shiver is out of it. Ken Siffert who lives out here in Long Island has his collection of Ultra Amber Motleys and the hets. A little birdy told me they are gravid. I was going to breed the Opal Motley male to one of his Ultra Amber Motley females(assuming he produced them) but the plan was put on hold. So, how about this........... if Kat and Joe Pierce prove that the Ultra is not compatable with the Lavas, we call them......


ULTRA AMBERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ULTRA AMBER MOTLEYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW Rich, the female Opal Mot is a screamer!

I have to say, I agree. The name "saffron" puts no thought
in my head at all except "phthuuuuh". If I was looking
through a whole stack of deli cups and I
saw "saffron", "gold", "ultra amber", and "canary"
...the last thing in the world I'd ever pick up would
be a saffron. I don't know why that name is a dud
as I read it, but that's my first impression.

I like ultra amber. I think gold or golden is a nice
short name. I don't mind canary. Bur saffron? Ehh.