Naming of the Ultra Hypo "Amber" Corn

[Taceas]

Citrine? My Yellow Creamsicle is named that. I think the color fits for sure. And citrines do come in all shades of yellow. Interesting suggestion.

I don't get why you would not call that a sunglow. It's lacking white, it's an amel, it's got bright colors. IMO that's a very nice sunglow motley. (Good pattern, too.)

Well I'd like to call her a Sunglow as it sounds a little bit more special than amel motley. =P

But to me, for some reason, I think of sunglow as a line bred trait, not something anyone can call an animal they produced that may look like the textbook definition.

I just feel if I call this a sunglow, then what if I produce something else that "looks" like another morph, say an anery that looks a lot like a pastel ghost in color, but isn't. Then we get into that whole mess of "looks like, but isn't" naming game. Where do you categorize that? I think names should go farther than just describing a particular animal. I think it should really be a trademark of sorts of what genes that animal is carrying and what it should produce. Sure she may look like a sunglow, but I think the uncertainty of what she produces holds her back from truthfully calling her that. If that makes any sense.

I think the sunglows you buy from Don or Rich should produce, when bred with another sunglow, animals that look like sunglows. If I were to breed this particular snake to a sunglow motley male, I'd have no bloody idea what'd pop out. I'm sure some pretty good looking motlies and motley-stripes. But where does the "Sunglow" term begin and end?

All of the amel motlies produced were gorgeous animals, bright and vibrant colors. I'm pretty sure the adult female motley I've got now is the reason as she's the reddest motley I've ever seen. I've never seen another like her.

 

[Drizzt80]

Taceas, to help you get over your hangup, I don't believe (and please someone correct me if I'm wrong) that calling that snake a sunglow motley is a problem. Sunglows are amels with no white. Even if line breeding I don't believe you are going to get an entire clutch of sunglows because of the variability in coloration (same with candy canes?). Therefore, any amelanistic snake with no white can and should be considered a sunglow. You are right, if you bred her to another sunglow you'd never know what you are going to get in the clutch, but that doesn't mean you won't get sunglows or will get sunglows.

Just my outlook.
BTW, I'm glad you liked citrine, I was kind of excited that I found something closely related to Amber (gemstone-wise).

D80

 

[Serpwidgets]

Agreed. Sunglow is not a specific genetic combination, it's an outward appearance.

Take two amazing sunglows that were both selectively bred for generations, but each was independently created by different breeders. There's a good chance that the genes breeder #1 gathered in that bloodline are not all of the same genes that breeder #2 gathered up the other bloodline. They won't necessarily "breed true" when crossing different bloodlines so it has to be taken on a case-by-case basis to be realistic.

 

[Drizzt80]

Just wondering if this thread died out because of my suggestion to name them Citrine's or because of the shift to discussing Sunglows . . .?!

D80

 

[ecreipeoj]

It is not you. They all die out sooner or later after everything has been said. Make a controversial statement, or strong opposing statement and things will get heated up again, believe me I know! These threads are very interesting, especially the ones with very different opposing view points, but rarely make immediate changes.

Some name will have to be coined, when more of these are produced and offered for sale. This thread may have an influence when that time comes. I know I won't be referring to them as "Ultra Ambers" anymore until a name is settled upon. I never liked it in the first place. Ultra Caramel is at least a generic listing of the genes involved. They could very well be Ultra, hypo, Caramels too. I don’t think anybody really knows for sure. I suspect the Ultra gene will mask out the hypo gene even if it is present.

I happen to like Citrine. As time goes on, we are going to have to be much more creative, because a lot of the choices will already be used. I personally give a lot of weight to what the creator wants to call them or the person who is most involved with the first significant production of the new morph. The name game is a very hard arena to enter and sometimes the creators choice doesn’t fly either. In this case, I guess Mike Falcon is the creator. Perhaps not of the Ultra Caramels, but of the Ultra hypo. He was at least very much involved with the creation of the Ultra Caramels. Mike Shivers is out of the picture at the moment and may never return. I think the name Falcon is using (M&M Ambers) will be hard to swallow. I have never liked peoples names being attached to a morph, unless they are dead. It seems to be an attempt at a walking advertisement to me and offensive.

With all of the Hypos genes and Anery type genes that are known to exist already, double homo morphs of all of them will inevitable be produced. Many will look very similar, but will be genetically different. The name game will be played over and over again and will always be very interesting.

 

[MysticStarRepts]

Gold Dust naming suggestions

I vote for Gold Dust. If that seems to be a good discriptor then roll with it! My second is for citrine.