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'14 Het Terazzo cinder amel hypo x same
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ghosthousecorns
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I would say normals, but that the lighter first one has a lot more rosy rat influence. Although, since there's hypo in the mix that first one might be a hypo. That one with the partial striping you posted earlier, looks just like the babies from my rosy rat het terrazzo pairings.
I think cinder messes with the belly pattern in more ways than just the split checkers. I have hatched motley cinder (that unfortunately were poor eaters/kinked and didn't make it) and they all had a few belly checkers, I think other breeders have noticed that with cinder motley combos too. And I just had a hatching of ghost and hypo with several mots 50% het cinder and noticed one of those motley has a few belly markings as well.
I think cinder messes with the belly pattern in more ways than just the split checkers. I have hatched motley cinder (that unfortunately were poor eaters/kinked and didn't make it) and they all had a few belly checkers, I think other breeders have noticed that with cinder motley combos too. And I just had a hatching of ghost and hypo with several mots 50% het cinder and noticed one of those motley has a few belly markings as well.
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ghosthousecorns
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I hope you don't mind me posting a picture, but this is a typical "rosy rat" from my het terrazzo x het terrazzo clutch last year to show you they have a unique color/pattern. None of the babies in that clutch had any belly checkers and most of them had the partial striping.
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ya know... after further examination... I cannot say that bloodred traits are completely absent... but... no bald heads at all... and the traits I do see are consistent with the parents of the hatchlings I have now... clear bellies... some diffusion and other pattern abnormalities... but no baldness... nor thinning for that matter ;-)
VinnyJ
Red Chin Eastern Indigo
Here's a link to pics I took back in 2008 of the mother: http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66419
ghosthousecorns
Well-known member
Sounds like the terrazzo ancestor was a pure locality one and not a JMG line then- if I had known this sooner I would have been so tempted! But, I'm guessing these are all sold by now?
VinnyJ
Red Chin Eastern Indigo
I'm not 100% sure on this... Carol will have to confirm but I think the Terrazzos at the top of link I'm posting are from the siblings of Shanes F1s. Part of the clutch went to Shane and part of the clutch went to Carol.
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137141
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137141
ghosthousecorns
Well-known member
Do you still have any of the poss het babies with the partial striping?
Jereme
New member
Cinder sex-linked?
I am confused about some of the conversation here about cinder being sex-linked. It is my understanding that snakes like birds are Z and W to represent there sex chromosomes. So a male is ZZ and a female is ZW and the Z represents the larger of the 2 chromosomes. meaning any gene that would be sex-linked would be on the Z. Cause if the gene was on the W only female could be cinder and know that is not the case. So if that is the case, then if cinder was sex-linked it would ride on the Z. That would mean that females can never be het cinder they either are or are not. So then to prove that cinder is sex-liked, if took a homo cinder male and breed it to any normal female, you get normal males het cinder and cinder females cause the female only has 1 copy of the Z so that Z has the cinder gene the female would show it. I know that is how it works in birds, but I am new to snakes and there likely some things I don't know.
I am confused about some of the conversation here about cinder being sex-linked. It is my understanding that snakes like birds are Z and W to represent there sex chromosomes. So a male is ZZ and a female is ZW and the Z represents the larger of the 2 chromosomes. meaning any gene that would be sex-linked would be on the Z. Cause if the gene was on the W only female could be cinder and know that is not the case. So if that is the case, then if cinder was sex-linked it would ride on the Z. That would mean that females can never be het cinder they either are or are not. So then to prove that cinder is sex-liked, if took a homo cinder male and breed it to any normal female, you get normal males het cinder and cinder females cause the female only has 1 copy of the Z so that Z has the cinder gene the female would show it. I know that is how it works in birds, but I am new to snakes and there likely some things I don't know.
ghosthousecorns
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Jereme, I can't explain it but here is a thread with the (long) discussion about it...http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136741