because he wants to? or because he feeds live?
i feed live... 2 small rats every 10-14 days to my BP...
does that make me a bad keeper? i Dont want to though, its all she will eat ...
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because he wants to? or because he feeds live?
i feed live... 2 small rats every 10-14 days to my BP...
does that make me a bad keeper? i Dont want to though, its all she will eat ...
sacr3d bl0od
New member
same here my larger guy will NOT touch frozen that has been thawed out, even when i scent them he won't touch. He will alone eat alive and he eats 2 mice every 2 weeks.
sacr3d bl0od
New member
Ohhhhh wait i am very sorry for butting in i didn't read ahead of the post i feed only because he will not eat f/t but i am against feeding pinkies live. I agree with starsevol (i think thats spelled correct) i dislike the feeding of live pinkies.
----------------sorry for double post, my apologies.
----------------sorry for double post, my apologies.
ghosthousecorns
Well-known member
I feed live when I have to because I have snakes that just won't take f/t. I can understand the outrage if feeders are treated inhumanely or if you are negligent and allow the rodent to injure your snake. But to me the "crap keeper" isn't the guy that has his snakes in good condition and takes care of them but chooses to feed live. In the world of reptile keeping there are going to be some people who feed live and I personally hate to see people getting slammed for it unless they are doing it wrong.
To me crap keeper is someone who lets the shavings get all dirty, lets the water bowls run dry, overfeeds or underfeeds, takes no care to provide suitable temps and hides, cohabs in a stressful way, etc. I just can't add someone that feeds live to that list if they are doing everything else right.
To me crap keeper is someone who lets the shavings get all dirty, lets the water bowls run dry, overfeeds or underfeeds, takes no care to provide suitable temps and hides, cohabs in a stressful way, etc. I just can't add someone that feeds live to that list if they are doing everything else right.
as for the pinkies.... i can see the down side to that.. most baby snakes when they eat baby pinkies, they dont constrict and eat alive ish...
carnivorouszoo
Crazy Critter Lady
Wow, what a crazy thread! Here are my thoughts:
I researched for at least a year before buying my first snake. Had no clue there was a book written after 1960 about corns (could only find ones written in the 50's before some of the great technologies now available to us came out). Got my first corn in a trade and got bad info from the former owners. Few days later found this site and read and read and read. Then asked tons of questions. Then found out about Kathy Love's Book and got it. Read it until it fell apart and got the new one. I am being more careful with it lol.
Even after reading her book I had questions because she could not write everything is a small affordable volume such as what she sold. Kathy's book gives great basic info, this forum fills in the blanks and the spaces between that.
Even if you read EVERY book out there about corn snakes you would still have questions. So telling people to NOT ask questions is counter intuitive as well as counter productive.
As to feeding live. Very few CORNS will refuse FT. BPs are very different from corns. They eat larger prey, eat less often and I find that some people who have BPs but no experience with corns tend to think corns should eat a LOT more and more often because it is our lack of feeding properly that keeps them trim and small. The woman I am getting a pair of corns from had a friend who has BPs who told her that her female being grossly fat was healthy and normal, just look at her BP. I convinced the woman she had done a great disservice to her snakes by feeding this way. In the end she has decided to give them to me to be taken care of propperly. . . .Um, wait I was talking about live feeding, sorry! If you can not put mice in your family freezer, go out and get a freezer for your snakes. Or something. I have a chest freezer for family food and use the fridge freezer for my snakes food. The chest freezer cost $200. I saw one at walmart recently for like $150. Some people spend that much just on one snake so why not a freezer? There are smaller ones available online. Check ebay. I'd rather give up some space to a spare freezer than risk my snake being brained one day by an agressive mouse. That is IF the snake gave me a feeding choice. Mind you only know if you have a choice by actually putting a month or so into only offering FT or FK. Also if you can not stomach killing a mouse yourself, how can you stomach watching and listening to that live mouse scream and struggle? It will only get worse as the snake grows and needs larger prey.
I researched for at least a year before buying my first snake. Had no clue there was a book written after 1960 about corns (could only find ones written in the 50's before some of the great technologies now available to us came out). Got my first corn in a trade and got bad info from the former owners. Few days later found this site and read and read and read. Then asked tons of questions. Then found out about Kathy Love's Book and got it. Read it until it fell apart and got the new one. I am being more careful with it lol.
Even after reading her book I had questions because she could not write everything is a small affordable volume such as what she sold. Kathy's book gives great basic info, this forum fills in the blanks and the spaces between that.
Even if you read EVERY book out there about corn snakes you would still have questions. So telling people to NOT ask questions is counter intuitive as well as counter productive.
As to feeding live. Very few CORNS will refuse FT. BPs are very different from corns. They eat larger prey, eat less often and I find that some people who have BPs but no experience with corns tend to think corns should eat a LOT more and more often because it is our lack of feeding properly that keeps them trim and small. The woman I am getting a pair of corns from had a friend who has BPs who told her that her female being grossly fat was healthy and normal, just look at her BP. I convinced the woman she had done a great disservice to her snakes by feeding this way. In the end she has decided to give them to me to be taken care of propperly. . . .Um, wait I was talking about live feeding, sorry! If you can not put mice in your family freezer, go out and get a freezer for your snakes. Or something. I have a chest freezer for family food and use the fridge freezer for my snakes food. The chest freezer cost $200. I saw one at walmart recently for like $150. Some people spend that much just on one snake so why not a freezer? There are smaller ones available online. Check ebay. I'd rather give up some space to a spare freezer than risk my snake being brained one day by an agressive mouse. That is IF the snake gave me a feeding choice. Mind you only know if you have a choice by actually putting a month or so into only offering FT or FK. Also if you can not stomach killing a mouse yourself, how can you stomach watching and listening to that live mouse scream and struggle? It will only get worse as the snake grows and needs larger prey.
toxiclight
Artz and Snakez
I used to cringe every time our boa ate...he would only accept live, and was on full-size (small) rats. The squeak was so pitiful :/
I am extremely glad our corns take frozen/thawed. (luckily, I'm the woman-of-the-house, and I have final say over what goes in the freezer. My family are all fairly accepting of the snake hobby, so as long as the mice don't touch the food, they're okay with it.)
I am extremely glad our corns take frozen/thawed. (luckily, I'm the woman-of-the-house, and I have final say over what goes in the freezer. My family are all fairly accepting of the snake hobby, so as long as the mice don't touch the food, they're okay with it.)