Could Tesseras Be Hybrids?

[NikeMoth]

I was researching various rat snake species and found a striped variant of the leopard ratsnake that bears a striking resemblance to some Tesseras I've seen. Could Tesseras have borrowed some genetics along the way to become the stripy stunners we know and love?

 

[airenlow]

http://www.scexotics.com/tessera.html

 

[Nanci]

I think they are half gartersnake, half Okeetee, myself. But who cares!

 

[Shiari]

That tesserated look has popped up in multiple species, including gartersnakes and kingsnakes. Thus it's perfectly reasonable for it to have also cropped up in corns. Saying they must be hybrids because they look like another species is rather like suggesting that motley boas are actually cornsnake/boa hybrids because the end result of the morph is the same.

 

[Nanci]

What's that JoeJr. was called again, Grand Bubble Burster???

 

[Nanci]

Because I was thinking if I could get ahold of one of those red gartersnakes from San Francisco, or a bright blue one from Florida, I could create a pretty cool Tessera!!

 

[NikeMoth]

I just thought the similarities are striking between these two.

 

[Nanci]

That's what snakes do, though. There are only so many patterns. Saddles, stripes, bands, diamonds. How does a hognose snake in South America have the same pattern as a coral snake in North America? That's just how evolution works.

 

[Alton Cheeks]

You know I saw a picture of one of those leopard rat snakes a few weeks ago and I asked myself the same question. I had heard that the tessera came out of some kind of miami project. But im not sure about that. But you sore cant dismiss the similarity of the leopard rat and the tessera.

 

[Shiari]

I can, the same way I dismiss the similarity with gartersnakes.

 

[Nanci]

If you read the link that Josh provided, on Grahm Criglow's site, you can hear exactly where the Tesseras came from, from the person who discovered them. It's no secret, there's no shady history.

 

[ceduke]

Good grief, this again? They're nothing close.

I have a customer at work who has a chihuahua that is tan with a black mask. She is marked JUST like a malinois. That doesn't make her a malinois mix.

 

[Carinata]

This person brings up a valid point. A lot of Cornsnake genetics are likely jumbled. And it's not me saying that it's many people who breed hybrids. Tesseras are likely not a hybrid, as they don't have hybrid markers. But some Corn morphs have questionable backgrounds and me must take that into account. We shouldn't just jump on this member. Open your minds and think about the possibilities. I mean, it's entirely possible that other species are in some of the base corn morphs.

 

[Nanci]

Well, it's likely that a certain corn morph had ratsnake influence at one time, but that doesn't mean that corns have been crossed with gartersnakes or obscure old world ratsnakes, or kingsnakes, or anything else in an attempt to create a new morph and claim it's a pure cornsnake.

 

[Nanci]

My question is, how much does it matter? If you don't like the idea, don't use the ultra gene. Generations later, though, the foreign blood is so diluted out that it's of no significance at this point.

 

[Tom Tuttle]

Gartersnakes

Hmmmm an oviparus X viviparus! :awcrap: What's next??

 

[Carinata]

It does,kt really matter. One could argue, many genes have mixed blood. Corns are the whores of the snake worl a massive amount of intergrades naturally occur

 

[El Jefe]

I can, the same way I dismiss the similarity with gartersnakes.

Yes, but gartersnakes are live bearing so for that feat to happen there would be added coolness of a hybrid so they would be worth even more!

If you read the link that Josh provided, on Grahm Criglow's site, you can hear exactly where the Tesseras came from, from the person who discovered them. It's no secret, there's no shady history.

Actually, the history is a little shady....no one knows where they originated. We know how they made it to the cornsnake world but not how they came online and the bloodline before that.

Hmmmm an oviparus X viviparus! :awcrap: What's next??

Leopard ratsnakes are oviparous, cornsnakes are oviparous, gartersnakes are viviparous but I don't think people truly think garters are the hybrid cross.

 

[Tom Tuttle]

Leopard ratsnakes are oviparous, cornsnakes are oviparous, gartersnakes are viviparous but I don't think people truly think garters are the hybrid cross.

Guess ya missed the title

 

[snakewispera snr]

My question is, how much does it matter? If you don't like the idea, don't use the ultra gene. Generations later, though, the foreign blood is so diluted out that it's of no significance at this point.

It only takes a sprinkling of a gene to make marked results....
Look at certain European JCP that had Diamond sprinkled in generations ago..
They still carry that brighter than bright look....