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Dominant traid new collor ?????????

Well what's more likely---a new random gene that adds yellow to snakes that nobody else has found...

or the influence of emoryi in these snakes?
 
i read the caramel every time, but when they are het caramel ,where is the butter i didn't breed them from these anymals, even not from the amelyellow x amelyellow that is why i think that it had nothing to do with caramel.
In the beginning i had the same thought,and i breed that first anymal to amel het caramel to produce a butter with more yellow, but that was not happening.
 
Joejr14 said:
Well what's more likely---a new random gene that adds yellow to snakes that nobody else has found...
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How many people have found the Caramel or Lavender alleles in all of these years? I think it was in both cases one animal. So, what is so unlikely to have a mutation that nobody else has had in an animal until now? As said before, there is a new somehow Anerythristic gen in cornsnakes in a german breeders line, first discovered in 2001 or 02 if I remember correctly. It acts a little like AneryC, causing anery looking hatchlings and bright orange adults. Is it impossible because no one else found that gene yet?!?

or the influence of emoryi in these snakes?
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I remember Carols Z with the Emoryi pattern... what is more likely, Emoryi in a strange snake with Emoryi pattern or a new gene? :) Not saying that emoryi blood is excluded and I am the first that screams hibird if anything is too unusual, but a high variation within the look of one clutch is NOT likely for Hybrids between Emoryi and Guttatus and I think that the variance between the "lutino" thing and the others is quite huge.

@Joe I fully accept your thoughts and of course they would solve a few odds. On the other hand, dominant traits tend to spread around very fast and I am not sure if this fits the things you described.

Greetings
 
Menhir said:
@Joe I fully accept your thoughts and of course they would solve a few odds. On the other hand, dominant traits tend to spread around very fast and I am not sure if this fits the things you described.

Greetings
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Menhir-

I've tried to read the thread, but I just can't follow it. So I'm basing my comment off of the responses that I can read.


:shrugs:

Care to summarize it for me? LoL.
 
Joejr14 said:
:shrugs:
Care to summarize it for me? LoL.
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~ggg~
Ok, there is a main discussion about smoerebroeds animals. And there is a side-discussion started by JoePIERCE about the maybe dominant yellow gene somewhere in his Butter line. So the first part of the message was the response to your thoughts about the Emoryi-blood and the second part was about Joes dominant yellow trait.
Anything left that I can make more unclear? :grin01:
 
some more pics from them

Some more pics from those with butters and caramel to compare
 

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That butter seems to dark to be a butter. Since the amel does not look too dark, it cannot be caused by a bad camera or low light level. That butter looks like an amber (hypo caramel) to me. I'm sorry, but you are not making your 'case' stronger with these pics.

I do appreciate your willingness to join the discussion without getting angry about people saying it might be emoryi blood and stuff, lots of people would react very negative to that and end up personally attacking people.
 
Sorry i only want to make the pic as honest as possible without flash,but it is not easy when you got tree animals in one hand to make a pic.( the butter is out of amel het caramel x amel het caramel and so it can't be a amber)
 
I seem like a big nagger or nit picker, but why could this amel het caramel pair not also be het voor hypo and produce ambers? Were there any lighter buttery snakes then this one?

Now I'd better stop being a little pain in the ass... ;-p From now on, I won't add any comments about emoryi influence, cause I think I made clear my thoughts about it.
 
Blutengel said:
What do you mean? You think it is a butter so you would not be surprised if it has red eyes?
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I mean, that I wouldn't be surprised if it has red eyes, so yes, I think its a butter.
 
OK, clear. I did not think of that difference, which slangebroed assumably knows, so it is butter probably after all. But quite dark I think....
 
That animal has red eyes and is a butter,that it is darker pehaps because it is older then the rest on that pic.
Amel het caramel x amel het caramel = amel - amelcaramel ( butter ) - amel het caramel and amel ( amel x amel = 100% amel )
Amber can only become if ,amel het caramel and hypo x normel het amel-caramel and hypo but that is a little %
I have breed now three yaers
amel het anery,caramel,hypo and motley x
normal het amel,anery,caramel,hypo and motley
and i never get a amber from this combination
i was looking to breed a ambermotley but no
amel
amelmotley
butter
buttermotley
hypo
ghost
anery
anerymotley
normals
normalmotley
Now a sell them because there are more projecs to breed a have 42 terra's
and it is always not enough.
Amelyellow x lavender
Hypostriped x lavender
Cubemotley x lavender
ect. ect.
 
"That animal has red eyes and is a butter,that it is darker perhaps because it is older then the rest on that pic."

I find that interesting , because my caramel and butters usually get lighter in color with age?
 
Good grief, you guys are being picky beyond belief.

Butters can range from almost lemon colored to butterscotch. The point of the comparison photos is to show the extreme yellow coloration in the Yellow Amel. I think to automatically assume that an Amel that has high yellow coloration is a Creamcicle is extremely closed minded. I have never owned a Creamcicle and have produce many Amels with similar coloration to the Yellow Amels.

I think considering the difference in languages he is doing extremely well to answer all of your questions. I tried to use a translator to translate some of the info on his site, and they just do not work very well.
 
Ok, I have not read more than a few sentences in this thread, but what I've seen is caramel and butter. :shrugs:

If this is a dominant gene and has nothing to do with caramel, then it would produce non-normals when bred to anything, which includes snakes that do not carry the caramel gene.
 
Serpwidgets said:
Ok, I have not read more than a few sentences in this thread, but what I've seen is caramel and butter. :shrugs:

If this is a dominant gene and has nothing to do with caramel, then it would produce non-normals when bred to anything, which includes snakes that do not carry the caramel gene.
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Unless the dominant gene carrier is only heterozygous dominant - in which case you'd expect half normals, too.

I hope it is a new gene, and it would be very interesting to take one of these yellow animals and breed it to something that is known 100% not to carry caramel and see what pops out.
 
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