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EGGS someone give me advice

I'm sorry if you thought I was being unpleasant, I just thought that discarding the eggs might not be a totally negative thing to do.
It's true that we all make mistakes, and you have enough concern for your snakes to admit there's a possible problem and ask for help.
I don't think anyone really took pot-shots at you though. On a forum like this people are far more likely to be worried about the snake's health first, and your feelings second
 
Hi jvbernard,

Don't feel bad - I think we are all trying to help out and just "telling it straight", even if it does sound a little harsh at times. I don't think anyone is against you here - just trying to help.

I have done some really stupid things over the years - worse than keeping a pair of snakes together and getting unwanted eggs. If anyone who has kept lots of snakes for a long time says they never did anything stupid (either because they didn't know better, or weren't paying careful attention, or just forgot something), then I would be suspicious of that person's truthfullness. So don't feel guilty about anything already done.

The whole thing about discarding unwanted eggs is true. It pains me to think of it, because I really hate wasting anything, even though it could be less cruel to discard eggs than to put babies through unnecessary suffering if you weren't ready for them.

But it sounds like you have thought it out and made some plans. As long as you know what you are getting into, go for it. If you are interested in breeding, you will have to start practising sometime. Most of the people here will give you great advice to help you through. Don't be defensive if they question you thoroughly - it is how we find out if you DO know what you are getting into, and thus what advice should be given to you.

Once you are into corns for a while, and also a longtime participant here, you will see exactly why the questions and advice sometimes seems harsher than it really is. Just takes some experience to understand it all.

In the meantime, prepare for lots of fun, hard work, occasional set backs, and lots of learning!
 
Thank you Kathy, and sorry to everyone else for me being defensive. i just think the thought of "binning eggs" is awful, regardless of it being done for the right reasons. i do have plans to breed in the future but obviously not just yet, so i was caught with "my pants down".
 
I am not going to apoligize about my comment. Yah a few Petcos are nice, but I also call it like it is and they have less than par habitats for their reptiles. About the bin thing, I don't really think that should be your first option. I am really sure you can find someone to incubate them or adopt them out. Or...you could try and do it yourself if you can afford it. The trash can thing reminds me people tossing babies is why I got pissed, heck Ive even seen on dumpsters in LA a pic of a baby on a trashcan with a slash through it. Yep Im comparing a human child to a corn snake. Life is life...

I wish you good luck bernard.
 
diamondlil said:
Mike gets my vote too.
If you have not researched and set up the incubation environment properly, you could get defects such as kinks. Are you prepared to euthanise any deformed hatchlings? Are you going to get a rack system to keep the hatchlings seperate if they do hatch, so you can get them established and feeding before you find them new homes? Have you got any way of getting them homed if they do hatch and thrive?
It's not really harsh, it's a note of realism. It could be the best thing to dispose of the eggs if you can't raise the hatchlings.
If you do get everything ready and hatch them, I wish you luck. It's just that there are so many 'unexpected breeding/egg laying' stories on here, it gets a bit difficult to be positive.
How is the female doing?
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Roy Munson said:
I didn't see anything wrong with Mike's advice. It's a very reasonable option if you have no idea what you're doing...
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Apparantly I do not spread around enough reputation, because I do not even remember when I last gave either one of you any, and I have not spread around enough since then to do it again. I really need to get out more.





Rocky Raccoon said:
I am not going to apoligize about my comment. Yah a few Petcos are nice, but I also call it like it is and they have less than par habitats for their reptiles. About the bin thing, I don't really think that should be your first option. I am really sure you can find someone to incubate them or adopt them out. Or...you could try and do it yourself if you can afford it. The trash can thing reminds me people tossing babies is why I got pissed, heck Ive even seen on dumpsters in LA a pic of a baby on a trashcan with a slash through it. Yep Im comparing a human child to a corn snake. Life is life...

I wish you good luck bernard.
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Good luck with that Ingrid Newkirk!
 
mike17l said:
you could always place the eggs in a brown paper bag, and place the bag in a plastic trash bag, and then place that in a dumpster.
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If you don't want to do this, you could always crack them into a skillet and scramble them with some bacon.
 
mike17l said:
Good luck with that Ingrid Newkirk!
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:-offtopic When Ingrid gets done putting down every domesticated animal on the world and abolishes "animal slavery" as she calls it. She's going to start on orphans next. I hear Peta is no stranger to putting puppies and kittens in dumpsters, I doubt she cares if a baby goes in one. Bad example.

Newkirk on having children
"I am not only uninterested in having children. I am opposed to having children. Having a purebred human baby is like having a purebred dog; it is nothing but vanity, human vanity."
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline/1865
 
Daeraelle said:
:-offtopic When Ingrid gets done putting down every domesticated animal on the world and abolishes "animal slavery" as she calls it. She's going to start on orphans next. I hear Peta is no stranger to putting puppies and kittens in dumpsters, I doubt she cares if a baby goes in one. Bad example.

Newkirk on having children
"I am not only uninterested in having children. I am opposed to having children. Having a purebred human baby is like having a purebred dog; it is nothing but vanity, human vanity."
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline/1865
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I know about PETAs animal killing and tossing, I was refering to her statements (not exacly, but something like) "A dog is a cat is a boy" or something like that.
 
Rocky Raccoon said:
Yep Im comparing a human child to a corn snake. Life is life...
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Then I hope you never use soap. Most soap is antibacterial, and bacteria are life, and life is life. By the way, what do you feed your snake(s)? Tofu? Let me clue you in on a little secret: mice are life too. Actually soy beans are life too for that matter. Should zoos be allowed to feed their tigers infant humans? I mean, life is life. :rolleyes:
 
jvbernard, good luck with your girl and incubating the eggs. I rarely get a 100% hatch rate and since it is her first clutch there is a good chance you won't be overwhelmed with babies. But a few might be nice if you are prepared (and you seem to be). I haven't bred long but if you have any questions, please feel free to pm me.
Beth
 
mike17l said:
If you don't want to do this, you could always crack them into a skillet and scramble them with some bacon.
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Id at least agree with that more.
About children being fed to animals, yah Id love to see that happen. (no sarcasm here really) Id love to see animals all fend for themselves in a perfect world with no humans around.

Look just dropping the eggs off in a trash can is kinda ****ed, I dont care what anyone thinks. Would you do that with kittens or a puppy, there is no difference. Its an infant animal, you can find someone, try yourself, or quit like douche-mike.
 
Rocky Raccoon said:
Id at least agree with that more.
About children being fed to animals, yah Id love to see that happen. (no sarcasm here really) Id love to see animals all fend for themselves in a perfect world with no humans around.

Look just dropping the eggs off in a trash can is kinda ****ed, I dont care what anyone thinks. Would you do that with kittens or a puppy, there is no difference. Its an infant animal, you can find someone, try yourself, or quit like douche-mike.
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Reptile eggs are not live animals, puppies and kittens are. Big difference. I am not a fan of stray (feral) animals and treat them as I do any unwanted animal. I shoot to kill. I do not intend to maim or injure the animal, I go for a quick one shot kill, to end the animals life as quick as possible. If someone does not have the responsibility to properly care for a pair of cornsnakes (or a dog or cat), and get "unwanted" eggs, then I reccomend the same course of action. Throwing eggs in the trash causes no harm to any animals, they just cease to develop. It saves potential problems for the potential animals as well as for the person caring for them. I myself did not breed any reptiles, or animals for that matter, until I knew proper care techniques for the mother, the eggs, and the potential offspring. Anybody who breeds first and asks questions latter, will receive the same response I gave in this thread, if they are not responsible enough to seek information first then they do not need to incubate the eggs, the eggs should be destroyed.
 
mike17l said:
I know about PETAs animal killing and tossing, I was refering to her statements (not exacly, but something like) "A dog is a cat is a boy" or something like that.
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Oh, sorry. So much comes out of her mouth it's hard to remember it all. Crazy woman.
 
Rocky Raccoon said:
Would you do that with kittens or a puppy, there is no difference. Its an infant animal, you can find someone, try yourself, or quit like douche-mike.
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Your syntax is as tortured as your logic. Maybe that last sentence is a dig, but who knows? Maybe you can translate for the English speakers/writers in the audience. :rolleyes: You're wrong-- accept it.
 
I don't like the idea of throwing away eggs either unless there is just nobody who can hatch and care for them. But they are not yet living babies like puppies and kittens. The eggs may not even be fertile. If they are, they are more like puppy embryos at the earliest stages. Not incubating them would be more like aborting a litter of kittens or puppies at the earliest stages of pregnancy.

I don't want to start a discussion of abortion - nobody will be able to agree on that!! But MOST (but probably not all) people would agree that aborting a litter is not exactly the same as killing each individual puppy or kitten after it is born.

However, I still do not like the idea of just discarding fertile eggs if there is a way to find a home where they can be incubated and cared for properly. But you do have to look at the way nature works - most baby snakes will hatch and become food for other animals, rather than grow up to replace their parents, and overrun the planet (like people, lol!) That's just the way it works.
 
Rocky Raccoon said:
Id at least agree with that more.
About children being fed to animals, yah Id love to see that happen. (no sarcasm here really) Id love to see animals all fend for themselves in a perfect world with no humans around.

Look just dropping the eggs off in a trash can is kinda ****ed, I dont care what anyone thinks. Would you do that with kittens or a puppy, there is no difference. Its an infant animal, you can find someone, try yourself, or quit like douche-mike.
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The one question I have to ask here is what you feed your snakes on?
 
kathylove said:
I don't like the idea of throwing away eggs either unless there is just nobody who can hatch and care for them. But they are not yet living babies like puppies and kittens. The eggs may not even be fertile. If they are, they are more like puppy embryos at the earliest stages. Not incubating them would be more like aborting a litter of kittens or puppies at the earliest stages of pregnancy.

I don't want to start a discussion of abortion - nobody will be able to agree on that!! But MOST (but probably not all) people would agree that aborting a litter is not exactly the same as killing each individual puppy or kitten after it is born.

However, I still do not like the idea of just discarding fertile eggs if there is a way to find a home where they can be incubated and cared for properly. But you do have to look at the way nature works - most baby snakes will hatch and become food for other animals, rather than grow up to replace their parents, and overrun the planet (like people, lol!) That's just the way it works.
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Kathy, free things, no matter what it is, are hardly ever appreceated the way they would be if they are paid for (obviously there are some exceptions, but most should agree with this statement). If the eggs or babies are given away, it is likely that they would not be properly cared for.
 
Yes, it is a sad fact of life that people often appreciate what they pay for. And usually, the more they pay, the more they appreciate it.

I wouldn't say it is LIKELY that free babies wouldn't be cared for (depending on screening methods used), but I would say it is more likely than if they are sold, even for a small amount.

I generally don't give animals away, except in special circumstances. I have donated retired breeders to nature centers and to certain individuals, but I would not advertise them to the public as free. It always gives me the creeps when I see ads for free dogs and cats, and then hear about people training fighting dogs with them, or selling them to labs or such. I don't know how often that goes on, but I wouldn't want to chance being involved in it.

If I had to make a choice, I would rather have an animal go to a restaurant to be killed quickly and humanely for food (popular in some Asian diets, but I don't think I want any!), rather than suffer a slow death in some other hands.

So generally, I would have to agree with you, with some exceptions (as you said).
 
Rocky Raccoon said:
Bread and cheese mostly. Sometimes when she is behaving well I will pop a bottle of champagne.
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The reason I asked, is because you've made some pretty blanket statements about how wrong it is to kill young animals, so how do you view feeder rodents as different?
 
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