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EGGS someone give me advice

Right...now that we've gotten completely off topic, I have a quick question (in two parts). Do you have pictures of the eggs and do they look fertile? If they're obviously slugs there's no point in incubating the eggs and if this is your first time breeding it can be tricky (at least I was unsure anyway). How's the girl doing anyway?

~Katie
 
No, what I've said is that I believe it is wrong to just throw away these eggs and you wouldn't do it with any other type of animal's offspring. If you must get rid of them at least bury them so they can biodegrade as opposed to tossing them into a trash can where they can rot at a land fill. A feeder rodent is being used through the consumption by the snake, therefore transferring energy through that trophic level. No matter what anyone says I still think its wrong to just toss the eggs in the trash if other options are available. I think Mike's comment was uncalled for and harsh, he came on here asking for help and some jerkoff tells him to toss them in the trash. I mean seriously how is that constructive?
 
Rocky Raccoon said:
No, what I've said is that I believe it is wrong to just throw away these eggs and you wouldn't do it with any other type of animal's offspring. If you must get rid of them at least bury them so they can biodegrade as opposed to tossing them into a trash can where they can rot at a land fill. A feeder rodent is being used through the consumption by the snake, therefore transferring energy through that trophic level. No matter what anyone says I still think its wrong to just toss the eggs in the trash if other options are available. I think Mike's comment was uncalled for and harsh, he came on here asking for help and some jerkoff tells him to toss them in the trash. I mean seriously how is that constructive?
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Toss them in the trash, toss them in the yard for birds to eat, bury them for worms to eat, scramble them and eat them yourself, its all the same. If you do not know what you are doing and have not researched breeding and rearing of young (incubation and post hatch) then destroy the eggs, you are not competant enough yet to properly care for them. I do not care how they are destroyed, no method is better than another, but putting them in the trash is the easiest for anybody to do, there is no work involved, you just place them in the trash and place that in the dumpster, very simple.
 
Roy Munson said:
Then I hope you never use soap. Most soap is antibacterial, and bacteria are life, and life is life. By the way, what do you feed your snake(s)? Tofu? Let me clue you in on a little secret: mice are life too. Actually soy beans are life too for that matter. Should zoos be allowed to feed their tigers infant humans? I mean, life is life. :rolleyes:
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Roy Munson again.
 
Rocky Raccoon said:
No, what I've said is that I believe it is wrong to just throw away these eggs and you wouldn't do it with any other type of animal's offspring. If you must get rid of them at least bury them so they can biodegrade as opposed to tossing them into a trash can where they can rot at a land fill.
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Backpedal much?

A feeder rodent is being used through the consumption by the snake, therefore transferring energy through that trophic level.
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And landfill bacteria don't eat too?

No matter what anyone says I still think its wrong to just toss the eggs in the trash if other options are available.
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More backpedaling. You were wrong from the start, and you're still wrong.

I think Mike's comment was uncalled for and harsh, he came on here asking for help and some jerkoff tells him to toss them in the trash. I mean seriously how is that constructive?
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I gave you conciliatory rep for your bread and cheese joke. I wish I could take it back. You're just a confrontational a-hole. Calling another poster a "jerkoff" for presenting opinions that are 100x more informed and consistent than your own is uncalled for. You should stick to regurging info in the husbandry sub-forum.
 
Roy Munson said:
Backpedal much?

And landfill bacteria don't eat too?

More backpedaling. You were wrong from the start, and you're still wrong.

I gave you conciliatory rep for your bread and cheese joke. I wish I could take it back. You're just a confrontational a-hole. Calling another poster a "jerkoff" for presenting opinions that are 100x more informed and consistent than your own is uncalled for. You should stick to regurging info in the husbandry sub-forum.
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I wish I could give you more rep points (not that you need them), I actually laughed out loud for the first time in a while.
 
I am not going to tell you what you should or shouldn't do. All I am going to suggest is that you do tons and tons of research, starting with "are they fertile?". I am guilty of this to. One of our dogs got pregnant a few years back, totally unexpected. (One of these days, the strays are gonna have more than paintballs shot at them) We took her to the vet, had her checked out, and was told that since she has epilepsy and is prone to seizures, we should have the pups aborted. Not an option. She carried full term, 5 of the healthiest puppies were given to interviewed owners. I thought I should add a good story to what has been said. Do what you want, but remember that responsibility comes with babies, of any species. Do your research and I think you will be fine.
 
in Regards to Katie questions, firstly the female is eating everything that comes her way, getting fed every 3 days. and as for the eggs i havent been able to check if they are fertile yet as i'm still on holiday and not back till monday. so when i get home i will use the candling method i have read about.

If they are fertile, does it matter that they arent in an incubator yet? they have been left in my viv in a tub filled with vericulite, whilst the incubator has been left to stand for 5 days, so in total they will have been in there 10 days?

and in regards all the off topic posts and arguing, it is fair to say that everyone has different opinions and advice or options to put forward, everyone has a different view of things. like i would thought the exprience keepers would of stopped to ask me if i had the equipement needed?, do i know much about breeding? have i much snake experience? is there any advice i can give you? do i have faith in my own abilities? but instead of asking any of the above 'bin them" which i was disappionted with as by the sounds so where a few of you.
 
jvbernard said:
in Regards to Katie questions, firstly the female is eating everything that comes her way, getting fed every 3 days. and as for the eggs i havent been able to check if they are fertile yet as i'm still on holiday and not back till monday. so when i get home i will use the candling method i have read about.

If they are fertile, does it matter that they arent in an incubator yet? they have been left in my viv in a tub filled with vericulite, whilst the incubator has been left to stand for 5 days, so in total they will have been in there 10 days?

and in regards all the off topic posts and arguing, it is fair to say that everyone has different opinions and advice or options to put forward, everyone has a different view of things. like i would thought the exprience keepers would of stopped to ask me if i had the equipement needed?, do i know much about breeding? have i much snake experience? is there any advice i can give you? do i have faith in my own abilities? but instead of asking any of the above 'bin them" which i was disappionted with as by the sounds so where a few of you.
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thank you for validating my point. there wasn't any good options really offered besides a few people. Thanks for the points Roy ! :)
 
Rocky Raccoon said:
thank you for validating my point. there wasn't any good options really offered besides a few people. Thanks for the points Roy ! :)
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Which of your non-points did this inexperienced keeper validate? And you're welcome to the rep anyway. I'm not much of a grudge-holder. :wavey:
 
Rocky Raccoon said:
No, what I've said is that I believe it is wrong to just throw away these eggs and you wouldn't do it with any other type of animal's offspring. If you must get rid of them at least bury them so they can biodegrade as opposed to tossing them into a trash can where they can rot at a land fill. A feeder rodent is being used through the consumption by the snake, therefore transferring energy through that trophic level. No matter what anyone says I still think its wrong to just toss the eggs in the trash if other options are available. I think Mike's comment was uncalled for and harsh, he came on here asking for help and some jerkoff tells him to toss them in the trash. I mean seriously how is that constructive?
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Haven't you read all the other posts? :shrugs:
 
jvbernard said:
If they are fertile, does it matter that they arent in an incubator yet? they have been left in my viv in a tub filled with vericulite, whilst the incubator has been left to stand for 5 days, so in total they will have been in there 10 days?
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It is difficult to tell at this point if they will be any good after 10 days. Do you know the temperature that they are at right now? Are they at about 80 degrees F?

jvbernard said:
and in regards all the off topic posts and arguing, it is fair to say that everyone has different opinions and advice or options to put forward, everyone has a different view of things. like i would thought the exprience keepers would of stopped to ask me if i had the equipement needed?, do i know much about breeding? have i much snake experience? is there any advice i can give you? do i have faith in my own abilities? but instead of asking any of the above 'bin them" which i was disappionted with as by the sounds so where a few of you.
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There is nothing wrong with offering another view point in regards to disposing of the eggs. I think you may have to do that anyway. You didn't offer us any hint that you did know what you were doing when you began the thread. It sounded to me, anyway, like you weren't familiar with basic snake husbandry. So rather than "bash" your skills (as could easily have been done), some people suggested you dispose of the eggs and concentrate on keeping the female healthy. Perhaps this came across as negative, but it is a serious solution to the issue at hand. I honestly don't feel the eggs will make it and will be thrown away regardless, but you might be lucky enough to have some make it. I hope so.
 
There is nothing wrong with offering another view point in regards to disposing of the eggs.
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You're right that there's nothing wrong with suggesting disposal of the eggs, however I think it could have been phrased much better than it was. While it's true that no matter how you say it, it all basically means the same thing, there are some people out there that are more sensitive than others when it comes to a serious topic like that of death. Personally, I thought the way it was said was pretty cold, but I understood the basic intention.

-Janel
 
Leandrae said:
While it's true that no matter how you say it, it all basically means the same thing, there are some people out there that are more sensitive than others when it comes to a serious topic like that of death.
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We're talking about freaking snake eggs! What kind of bubble do these people live in? The vast majority of people on this site own snakes. These snakes eat other animals, animals that were produced only to die and be eaten. Sensitive my butt. These people are hypocrites, pure and simple. :mad:
 
I agree with you on the phrasing. I don't think jvbernard wanted to hear that option, either. Its a two way street.
 
Roy Munson said:
We're talking about freaking snake eggs! What kind of bubble do these people live in? The vast majority of people on this site own snakes. These snakes eat other animals, animals that were produced only to die and be eaten. Sensitive my butt. These people are hypocrites, pure and simple. :mad:
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I do not think I could have said near as eloquently as you just put it.
 
Roy Munson said:
We're talking about freaking snake eggs! What kind of bubble do these people live in? The vast majority of people on this site own snakes. These snakes eat other animals, animals that were produced only to die and be eaten. Sensitive my butt. These people are hypocrites, pure and simple. :mad:
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Is it that hard to accept that someone's opinion may differ from your own on the value of certain lifeforms? To some people, a pet snake is just a snake and therefore any babies of the snake are simply snakes, BFD. That same person may feel that their pet dog is not just a dog, it's a companion and family member, therefore any puppies would be potential companions and family members as well. That's all fine for them, but understand that some people just MIGHT actually feel their snake is a companion as well. Is it wrong for either of them to feel as they do? No. Why should it be ok to anthropomorphize a dog, but not a snake? That seems a bit hypocritical to me.

I've already said it was fine to suggest that disposal be an option, my beef was with the way it was said. Let's put it this way:

Lets say you have a dog that is very sick and dying so you take it to the vet. If that vet were to say, "Well, he's gonna kick the bucket any day now, but eh, it's just a dog. I'll just toss him in the dumpster out back right now and save ourselves the trouble of watching him die." I would guess that most people would high tail it right out of there with their dog and never go back. So you go to another vet who says, "Your dog is very sick and unfortunately there isn't anything we can do for him. As hard as it is, it might be best to euthanize him so that he is no longer suffering." Now, the basic intent of both vets is the same however the second vet makes it much easier to accept the inevitable outcome with a more sensitive response.

This is a large community with many differences in opinion. Roy, your opinion that snakes are just snakes is completely valid. My opinion that snakes are pets is just as valid. You may not agree with my opinion nor I yours, but that is the beauty of opinions. If we all agreed on everything all the time, the world would be a very boring place.

-Janel
 
jvbernard said:
If they are fertile, does it matter that they arent in an incubator yet?
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As long as they have been kept at 70*F or more they should be fine if they're fertile. Last year we incubated all of our clutches at room temperature in our snake room. They took three months to hatch but hatched out perfectly healthy.

~Katie
 
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