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desertanimal
2003 UB313
No, he hasn't offended me, either. :grin01:If anyone claims that you've offended them, Chris, it won't be anyone from the female sector. I can guarantee it.The only ones that might be offended are the ones you haven't hit on. :grin01:
jazzgeek
The Rule Of Thirds.
tricksterpup
I has nuttin to Say.
You can Have the Greater Midwest, From Michigan to the Dakotas.. So go ahead and enforce away.
I think the US is broken up in districts.
Joejr East Coast
Nanci South East
Jazz Upper Midwest and Midwest
Texas Tail Feather South West and Texas
And of course who can forget that the West Coast enforcer is VinnyJ.
Because most posters seem to be having difficulty getting past my initial reasoning and seeing that there isn't only one single motive for this thread, I will add this. The influence of profanity and sexual remarks on younger members/visitors is not the sole reason for starting this thread. That is just the side which I chose to emphasize in the OP.
Preserving a community feel that welcomes new and current members alike providing a comfortable and non-offensive atmosphere is just as important as any other reason for hoping to see the frequency of these behaviors reduce. There are a thousand other places to satisfy the need to express those views, that a corn snake forum hardly seems like the place. I’m not talking about completely censoring everything and not even talking about fun topics in the chit-chat forum. However, I think we can still have fun and have lively conversations that express emotion without the need to offend other members with profanity or sexually explicit comments. And to those who contend that they “just don’t have to open those threads”, how is someone supposed to know that a thread contains profanity or sexually offensive material. People who start threads don’t typically intend for that to occur in their threads so they can’t put a warning in the title. So members don’t know until they open the thread and read the offensive material. By that time they are already offended. And just because they then have the option to not open that thread anymore, does that mean that they feel any less offended? I think we all understand the importance of maintaining a cohesive community in order to keep this a fun and lively place. So is it acceptable to alienate members with material they find offensive? I’m not referring to all kinds of posts. Funny stories about weekend hijinks or drive-by bathroom stops along the freeway don’t seem to cross the line. But can’t profanity and posts that directly objectify members of the opposite sex be left out?
Again, I’m not advocating a direct change in the way that the moderators do their job. There’s no reason that we can’t rely on personal accountability and self-moderation to make sure we don’t cross a line. It’s not hard to make sure we don’t curse. It shouldn’t be hard to ask ourselves if what we are about to post objectifies women or men and might offend someone…this primarily refers to making questionable comments about the opposite sex. I know some would argue that we can’t possible know what is going to offend everyone else and I agree. I’m referring to the most egregious instances. I would argue that most adults and teens know where to draw the basic line of what is tasteful and what is not.
That's the whole point. Not that we have to have a forum where we have no rights and that every post has to have moderator approval first. Just that we make attempts to moderate ourselves and generally discourage these things from others. It's also not about defining some moral absolute. I believe that most of us have a pretty good and similar understanding of the types of things that are potentially offensive. No we can't all be in on the inside jokes but I think that most of us can see how some of the things said in the forget the snakes thread would be (and were) deemed offensive by some members.
1) I NEVER held anyone who created a thread responsible for anyone else’s behavior. When did I ever implicate that? In fact, I sent a PM to Calivik before you every responded specifically to let her know that I was not in any way holding her responsible for what a few people did in a thread she created.
2) There is no problem with posting pics of yourself and making comments on someone else’s pics. That is okay. Some level of flirting is okay. When did I say otherwise?
3) How many times have we heard the “Have you heard the way kids talk these days?” argument. This has to be about the weakest justification for protecting your desire to curse and do whatever you want. Dale can charge me with whatever logical fallacy or literary technique he sees fit, but arguing that some kids already behave badly because they are exposed to it in other places so why should we have to change is akin to saying that everybody else cuts down rainforest trees so why should we have to stop? Or everybody else runs stops signs, crosses the street without looking, pushes the elderly down...so why should we stop?
Are kids exposed to lots of things on TV, Radio, etc.? Contrary to the apparent prevailing notion, I don’t live under a rock. Yes, of course they are exposed to it. Does that in any way justify our doing it here? Does that in any way suggest that we shouldn’t hold ourselves to some standard?
We aren’t talking about being cavity searched every time you visit the forum. Just not to curse and not post obviously offensive remarks. It’s not rocket science or invasive surgery.
Why do people have to say things like "protecting the innocent youth" and "virgin eyes". You are completely misrepresenting or at least exaggerating what I am referring to. Why does trying to a create an atmosphere free of tasteless, offensive language in order to attempt to provide a comfortable environment and set a good example for others have to get twisted into a “We must save the children!!” campaign? If somebody feels like their only way of expressing themselves and retaining their individuality is by cursing and making sexual, offensive remarks on a corn snake forum and they feel it’s a complete travesty to have that “right” called into question then just SAY IT.
Preserving a community feel that welcomes new and current members alike providing a comfortable and non-offensive atmosphere is just as important as any other reason for hoping to see the frequency of these behaviors reduce. There are a thousand other places to satisfy the need to express those views, that a corn snake forum hardly seems like the place. I’m not talking about completely censoring everything and not even talking about fun topics in the chit-chat forum. However, I think we can still have fun and have lively conversations that express emotion without the need to offend other members with profanity or sexually explicit comments. And to those who contend that they “just don’t have to open those threads”, how is someone supposed to know that a thread contains profanity or sexually offensive material. People who start threads don’t typically intend for that to occur in their threads so they can’t put a warning in the title. So members don’t know until they open the thread and read the offensive material. By that time they are already offended. And just because they then have the option to not open that thread anymore, does that mean that they feel any less offended? I think we all understand the importance of maintaining a cohesive community in order to keep this a fun and lively place. So is it acceptable to alienate members with material they find offensive? I’m not referring to all kinds of posts. Funny stories about weekend hijinks or drive-by bathroom stops along the freeway don’t seem to cross the line. But can’t profanity and posts that directly objectify members of the opposite sex be left out?
Again, I’m not advocating a direct change in the way that the moderators do their job. There’s no reason that we can’t rely on personal accountability and self-moderation to make sure we don’t cross a line. It’s not hard to make sure we don’t curse. It shouldn’t be hard to ask ourselves if what we are about to post objectifies women or men and might offend someone…this primarily refers to making questionable comments about the opposite sex. I know some would argue that we can’t possible know what is going to offend everyone else and I agree. I’m referring to the most egregious instances. I would argue that most adults and teens know where to draw the basic line of what is tasteful and what is not.
That's the whole point. Not that we have to have a forum where we have no rights and that every post has to have moderator approval first. Just that we make attempts to moderate ourselves and generally discourage these things from others. It's also not about defining some moral absolute. I believe that most of us have a pretty good and similar understanding of the types of things that are potentially offensive. No we can't all be in on the inside jokes but I think that most of us can see how some of the things said in the forget the snakes thread would be (and were) deemed offensive by some members.
1) I NEVER held anyone who created a thread responsible for anyone else’s behavior. When did I ever implicate that? In fact, I sent a PM to Calivik before you every responded specifically to let her know that I was not in any way holding her responsible for what a few people did in a thread she created.
2) There is no problem with posting pics of yourself and making comments on someone else’s pics. That is okay. Some level of flirting is okay. When did I say otherwise?
3) How many times have we heard the “Have you heard the way kids talk these days?” argument. This has to be about the weakest justification for protecting your desire to curse and do whatever you want. Dale can charge me with whatever logical fallacy or literary technique he sees fit, but arguing that some kids already behave badly because they are exposed to it in other places so why should we have to change is akin to saying that everybody else cuts down rainforest trees so why should we have to stop? Or everybody else runs stops signs, crosses the street without looking, pushes the elderly down...so why should we stop?
Are kids exposed to lots of things on TV, Radio, etc.? Contrary to the apparent prevailing notion, I don’t live under a rock. Yes, of course they are exposed to it. Does that in any way justify our doing it here? Does that in any way suggest that we shouldn’t hold ourselves to some standard?
We aren’t talking about being cavity searched every time you visit the forum. Just not to curse and not post obviously offensive remarks. It’s not rocket science or invasive surgery.
Why do people have to say things like "protecting the innocent youth" and "virgin eyes". You are completely misrepresenting or at least exaggerating what I am referring to. Why does trying to a create an atmosphere free of tasteless, offensive language in order to attempt to provide a comfortable environment and set a good example for others have to get twisted into a “We must save the children!!” campaign? If somebody feels like their only way of expressing themselves and retaining their individuality is by cursing and making sexual, offensive remarks on a corn snake forum and they feel it’s a complete travesty to have that “right” called into question then just SAY IT.
texastailfeathers
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<------- Anything for you.
So, are you the NASCAR dad or the beer-drinking frat boy? :shrugs:
Oh, and my rack appreciates the kind comments.
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texastailfeathers
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Zach...dude...lighten up. Please. You're 22. You live in College Station, which means you're probably a student at A&M. Do you really stand by all these arguments you're making--and truly believe this "holiness and virtue" stuff--or are you a PoliSci major with a focus in pre-law who's just happy to practice what he's learned in Logic & Rhetoric class? :shrugs:
We are fun people. Fun, good, decent people. Corn snakes are great to talk about, but camaraderie and friendship and humor are what differentiate CS.com from the "other" sites. Please don't let your little debate practice ruin that for us.
(By the way, Zach, fire needs fuel to keep burning...and you continue to pour on bucketloads of the stuff. )
We are fun people. Fun, good, decent people. Corn snakes are great to talk about, but camaraderie and friendship and humor are what differentiate CS.com from the "other" sites. Please don't let your little debate practice ruin that for us.
(By the way, Zach, fire needs fuel to keep burning...and you continue to pour on bucketloads of the stuff.
)
Pet Corn Snake
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Who would want to live in a world, or be a member of a discussion board where everyone gets on?
And who would not?
and who likes the fact that people do get on, but respects the fact that we are all from different parts of the world and do dissagree and use different types of speach?
I think your worrying about too much zach, it's a disscussion board, I talk how I talk in real life, if i'm angry, I'll swear, and I'll take the punishment.. Just like I would be grounded or something if I swear in real life..
Zach, you can't play god, people will not change because of this thread, you might have become aware of this just now, but ever since ive got here, things have been the same.. Very little swearing, and a few disagreements, if anything this place made me a better person.
get a coffee, and chill
And who would not?
and who likes the fact that people do get on, but respects the fact that we are all from different parts of the world and do dissagree and use different types of speach?
I think your worrying about too much zach, it's a disscussion board, I talk how I talk in real life, if i'm angry, I'll swear, and I'll take the punishment.. Just like I would be grounded or something if I swear in real life..
Zach, you can't play god, people will not change because of this thread, you might have become aware of this just now, but ever since ive got here, things have been the same.. Very little swearing, and a few disagreements, if anything this place made me a better person.
get a coffee, and chill
jazzgeek
The Rule Of Thirds.
Well, in that case...<------- Anything for you.
I freely admit that I was a frat boy; but it was a scholarship frat (yep, "Caddyshack" was right...there are scholarships for totin' a golf bag), not something I "pledged" to. Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life.
I presume that the yellow-kneed furry thing is kept on top, no?Oh, and my rack appreciates the kind comments.
regards,
jazz
texastailfeathers
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Huh? What? Did anyone else hear a loud whooshing sound just then? That went way over my head.
And who made you Queen of this forum? I made a post about observations I had made. You stated what you felt so MOVE ON. Your child-like behavior of continually posting in this thread with a tone specifically to antagonize is petty. I am NOT holy. Virtuous? That depends on the day, I guess. You've obviously missed the point entirely. Perhaps you were right that not every college education is created equal.:shrugs: I believe that is what you said, right?
Consider the fueling over. I'm enough of an adult to stop posting in this thread. Are you capable of stopping your posting and petty attempt to undermine and antagonize?
George you may not understand the subtlety of your implicating that I want to play god or control others. But don't EVER imply something that unfair and misrepresentative. It is completely unfair for you to level something like that against me for a simple thread calling to attention observations I've made.
Roy Munson
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Are you really chiding Zach for bringing his OWN thread back on-topic? I think that Zach had more in mind when he started this thread than his "little debate practice". He's been a very constructive member of this site for years. Maybe he wouldn't have had to make that last post if the "Jennifer and Dale Show" could have limited itself to the other threads where it plays, and this thread had stayed on-topic. Sorry guys, but I happen to respect the reasons that Zach started this thread, and I consider some of the off-topic stuff in this thread to be somewhat disrespectful to Zach and his intent. Yeah, we're fun, good, and decent people here, but that doesn't mean that we always practice good judgement.Zach...dude...lighten up. Please. You're 22. You live in College Station, which means you're probably a student at A&M. Do you really stand by all these arguments you're making--and truly believe this "holiness and virtue" stuff--or are you a PoliSci major with a focus in pre-law who's just happy to practice what he's learned in Logic & Rhetoric class? :shrugs:
We are fun people. Fun, good, decent people. Corn snakes are great to talk about, but camaraderie and friendship and humor are what differentiate CS.com from the "other" sites. Please don't let your little debate practice ruin that for us.
(By the way, Zach, fire needs fuel to keep burning...and you continue to pour on bucketloads of the stuff.
Pet Corn Snake
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misrepresentative, HA! thats something for google
starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
Well, in that case...
I freely admit that I was a frat boy; but it was a scholarship frat (yep, "Caddyshack" was right...there are scholarships for totin' a golf bag), not something I "pledged" to. Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life.
I presume that the yellow-kneed furry thing is kept on top, no?
regards,
jazz
Jazz, that wasn't Caddyshack. That was Animal House, the very first R rated movie I ever saw!!
And George, I gotta admit, as a yank I think even your swearing sounds distinguished!!
Pet Corn Snake
New member
I don't know what kind of lifestyle you have Zach, but generally in the world, people argue and swear, this is a disscussion board, we are here to talk about reptiles..
Not argue about who looks vain, or who has a big (rack) or whatever on whatever threads, we are here for reptiles, reptiles, REPTILESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSsssssssssssssssssssssss and NO I cant spell check that last word
Not argue about who looks vain, or who has a big (rack) or whatever on whatever threads, we are here for reptiles, reptiles, REPTILESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSsssssssssssssssssssssss and NO I cant spell check that last word
Roy Munson
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Don't let your one foot on the bandwagon carry you off to hypocrisy-land, George.I don't know what kind of lifestyle you have Zach, but generally in the world, people argue and swear, this is a disscussion board, we are here to talk about reptiles..
Not argue about who looks vain, or who has a big (rack) or whatever on whatever threads, we are here for reptiles, reptiles, REPTILESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSsssssssssssssssssssssss and NO I cant spell check that last word
diamondlil
Mice! They taste so nice!
I can see some people edging towards infringement, (and in a thread asking for a little more thoughtfulness too!) by posting in a deliberately inflammatory way. This directly opposes the 'this is a friendly forum' ethos that is supposed to rule here. If we all always agreed, that'd be no fun either, but I suspect a combination of self-moderation, peer moderation and the actual moderators here acting when they have to, will help keep this a healthy, lively site. Flame wars wouldn't.
SnakesRule1234
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Zach and Dean have a point...
No one seems to listen though. :shrugs:
No one seems to listen though. :shrugs:
diamondlil
Mice! They taste so nice!
:rofl::rofl::rofl: Oh my boys will love this! I get to be an enforcer !
Pet Corn Snake
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