Help! I think my snake might be dieing :-\

[TheProphecy]

^^ your right this is my 1st snake..... Im a dude.... most of the time i dont keep him in the tank he usually on my bed.... but how big should i get the tank right now i have a 20gallon. I had a book and it said the the more plain the tank the better (i think it was called caring for corn snakes i got it at petland) soo thats why i dont have much in there. Does under the bedding count as a hide? sorry if im ignorant, please im here to learn

 

[Jicin]

Well, the Corn snake manual by Cathy Love is a very good start. It tells you everything you need to know. About health, feeding, good vivs ect.

For now, you especially need to watch your temps. They need to be between 25 and 30 degrees celcius. I don't know how warm room temps are over there in NY but my guess would be lower. Snakes cannot digest in such cool temps and may regurg. Or worse, go into hibernation while there's still some undigested food in their stomache.

other then that i'm sure your snake would like a hide. Can be anything. Just cut a hole into something. It can be quite small since snakes feel secure in small spaces. When you get the temp right, place one in the cold, and one in the warm erea. A branch or something for the snake to climb on would be nice. Or just give the snake some old paper towel rolls just to give him something to crawl in during the active hours.

 

[Quigs]

That does not seem like a happy snake. Tiny cage and all.

I'd really like to know how you can tell by a couple pics that this snake is not happy? And tiny cage? Lots of people use 20 gallon aquariums for adult corns!

Quigs

 

[CornCrazy]

Doesn't the poor creature have a hide? Or did you remove it for the picture? Nothing to climb on or to bath in? Girl i would buy a book on corn snakes if i were you. Sorry but you don't seem to know much about taking care for a corn. That does not seem like a happy snake. Tiny cage and all.

And just when I thought you were trying to be nice, Jicin...

I have never commented on your behavior as far as I can remember (except for recently when I took up for you), but I am definitely noticing a trend here. You come across as quite rude and abrasive. I honestly think you are trying to help, but you should really think about trying a new approach. People come here for help. They do not want to be slapped down (figuratively) and then picked back up by you. Almost every post of yours that I have read is like an emotional roller coaster.

You have no right to say this is a "poor unhappy" snake. First of all, you basically know NOTHING about it except for that it hasn't eaten for 3 weeks. I have a snake that is picky and sometimes goes off feed for 2-3 months...that doesn't mean I don't take care of my snakes or that I don't know enough about caring for them...it is just that snake's personality. She's the only one I have that does that (except for males during breeding season). Secondly, snakes do not feel human emotions...so this snake cannot feel happy or unhappy. Thirdly, what right do you have to sit in judgement over any of us? You may not be a religious person (as you stated in another thread), but there are some teachings in the Bible that are good life lessons...even if you don't believe in God. One of them is do unto others as you would have them do unto you. You obviously don't like feeling as if you are being attacked...so why would you attack others? It doesn't make any sense!

I am not trying to start an arguement with you...I know that is a futile thing because you appear to have it stuck in your head that no other opinion is right except for your own. Why do you think so many people DO argue with you??? It's because you come across as being very condescending and rude, and people are tired of it.

No one is asking you to sugar coat anything, but there is a little thing called tact. Here's the definition:

Acute sensitivity to what is proper and appropriate in dealing with others, including the ability to speak or act without offending.

READ IT, LEARN IT, LIVE IT!

 

[Jicin]

What on earth is wrong with you people??? I really need to add a lot of smilies, winkies, lol's and re-read my post 50 times so to make sure noone takes offences on my post.

<b>She sure wasn't offended by my post then why are you?</b> This is the way i always post. Everywhere on every forum always. This forum is the only one that constantly takes offense and i'm tired of it. Perhaps you are oversensitive!

I'm not letting myself beeing pescered by you when i ain't doing anything wrong.

Sjeez

 

[Jicin]

I reconsided. i ain't done anything wrong so i ain't upset.

CornCrazy work on your tolerance. And start looking at things posetively. If you can't, well, that's your problem. However, i don't care for your speeches. It's your emotional rollercoaster, not mine.

Oh, Snakes do have emotions. Some humanlike. They can feel happy and unhappy, angry, mellow, irritated and having plain fun. Now what did i read recently? As long and humans think animals can't think, animals won't think about you.

 

[Krenna]

Oh, Snakes do have emotions. Some humanlike. They can feel happy and unhappy, angry, mellow, irritated and having plain fun. Now what did i read recently? As long and humans think animals can't think, animals won't think about you.

Where did you find your information? in the PETA handbook? Eco-terrorist piss me off.

I would love to see the research on this one. Funny everything I have read about snake thus far I have yet to see this one.

That is a false statment. No Jicin you have emotions, snakes do not.

Snakes have a triggered response to food, cold, breeding behaviors and environmental conditions.

 

[sawsehel]

Jicin, please read.

:-offtopic Sorry everybody...

Some things to think about.

Occums Razor:

You are a tad over-aggressive
OR
everybody else is overly sensitive. (How many people on this board?)


Practically everybody who posts a problem with a snake is mismanaging it (as you often insinuate)
OR
Most people who have snakes actually try to learn as much as possible about them first


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I think you agree that we shouldn't judge other people before knowing
all the facts, right?

I think the point that corncrazy and others have been trying to make is:

When has anything worked out well by being offensive?
If you can choose not be be offensive at all, then why be?
If it doesn't hurt making sure that nobody takes offence, then why not make sure?

People are trying to understand your point of view, and I am sure you can try the same.

I hope this problem works out ok, because I have seen you give very good answers to
many replies, and I hope you will continue to do that in the future.

-sawsehel

 

[Missy]

What on earth is wrong with you people???

i have commented before on your posts jicin and im having to do it again. there is nothing wrong with any of us, its you who does not take consideration into how you put your words and we are not the ones whos being over sensitive.

<b>She sure wasn't offended by my post then why are you?</b>

SHE? you havent even read HIS posts have ya? its a guy not a gal.

i have no more to say on this matter, apart from some people really should not just leap in conclusions on others and how they treat or keep their snakes. you are not there with them therefore you cannot comment on that part.
thanx.

 

[CornCrazy]

CornCrazy work on your tolerance. And start looking at things posetively. If you can't, well, that's your problem. However, i don't care for your speeches. It's your emotional rollercoaster, not mine.

Jicin...I am a very tolerant person. I have been sitting back for months reading your abrasive posts and am just now commenting. I even took up for you in a thread recently because I THOUGHT you were trying to be civil. If that's not tolerance, then I guess I don't know what tolerance is...

As for everyone being oversensitive, that's simply ridiculous. Enough said...

For the rest of what you said, I have no comment. Like I said before, I am not out to argue with you. Obviously it would be a waste of time since yours are the only correct opinions on this forum (and yes...that was sarcasm dripping from my words).

 

[babbaloo99]

Hi TheProphecy -- just to bring this thread back on topic -- did you try feeding your snake again after shedding? Some snakes do not to eat while in shed. Also, I agree with the other posts that making sure you have a proper warm spot for it to help digest, along with a couple of hides (couldn't hurt) one on the warm side and one on the cool side. I have a large yearling that has not eaten in about a month but he too is looking healthy. I'm still trying to feed him once a week, but I have heard that some adult snakes will slow down during the winter months even if you are not trying to brumate them. Good luck.

 

[howiet4702]

Doesn't the poor creature have a hide? Or did you remove it for the picture? Nothing to climb on or to bath in? Girl i would buy a book on corn snakes if i were you. Sorry but you don't seem to know much about taking care for a corn. That does not seem like a happy snake. Tiny cage and all.

What? OK here goes.....

I am fairly new to these forums and I learn something new everyday.

However, Jicin....I think you really need to step back some! People come here for advice, like myself, not to be badmouthed about how I or someone else can't take care of a corn snake! If I was The Prophecy, I would prob never come back to these forums again because of your comments...Did u notice you were the only one who rediculed him? I don't know where you come off as the "all mighty knowing". These people are here posting for a reason! To learn something new, share their knowledge and to ask questions!

Gimmie a break already!

 

[howiet4702]

BTW Prophecy....Welcome to the forums!

 

[Flygning]

Perhaps it would be wise to look past these posts that everyone thinks are rude. Sure, we read it and think Jicin is trying to pick a fight, but in her mind she isn't, and it turns nasty when people try to get her to be nicer. Now, I know there are more tactful ways for her to share her opinion, but we've learned that nothing good has come from us arguing with her. She really has tried to be nice recently.

 

[howiet4702]

She really has tried to be nice recently.

You call this nice?


Originally Posted by Jicin
Doesn't the poor creature have a hide? Or did you remove it for the picture? Nothing to climb on or to bath in? Girl i would buy a book on corn snakes if i were you. Sorry but you don't seem to know much about taking care for a corn. That does not seem like a happy snake. Tiny cage and all. :shrugs:

 

[zarozinia]

How dores youre corn seem now?
It probably was a combination of low temps, iminent shed and maybe a bit of stress from moving and not having a hide.
Im quite surpised that you have bought a snake and dont have much idea how to look after it, but very glad that you have done the sensible thing now and sought advice.
Take all the advice you can get. Buy yourself that Cornsnake manual, you will never look back, its packed with great stuff. Maybe join a local reptile group so you can share experiences. Keep posting on the forums and people will help you.
Firstly, get heating sorted out with a thermostat for safety, get a thermometer in there so you know whats going on. Only heat one side of the viv as explained above. Help youre snake to feel secure by covering 2 sides of its viv with dark card or paper and give it one or two hides, use an old ice cream tub or something similar if you are skint. Try to position youre snake where it isnt a high traffic area, away from a stereo or tv, etc. Dont place it somewhere draughty or next to a heater. I have a feeling youre snake will settle down and eat within a week or so with these adjustments, best of luck.

 

[rippit]

I have to agree with howie...

I made the mistake of trying to give Jicin the benfit of the doubt. But she is an incurable know-it-all who will argue with people who have bred snakes for years even when she's dead wrong. Every post that turns into a flame war has her as the primary instigator. The best phrase to sum her up (and I've used it before) is "never in doubt, frequently in error." I've been around these forums for a few months, so other than just generally getting on my nerves, she doesn't bother me too much. But when a newbie comes in here with a legitimate question and she takes her arrogant, condescending attitude with them, odds are they won't be coming back and they won't ask the forum for advice when advice may be needed. This could then cause a snake that could have been saved very easily to end up dying. That's not what this forum is about. What would be nice would be to put a "Beware of Jicin" sticky at the beginning of every forum.

 

[Jicin]

*checks herself*. Nope, still not upset.

I don't need to defend myself. I know i ment it nice. And if you don't take it that way. Well, i don't care. I know you don't mean it nice. I herby stop rising to baits, and defend myself about ridicoulous insults of people who don't even know me. Because basically, i don't care.

However, now on to the subject. Fact it, this ain't a good setup for a snake. It's very nice to just 'get a snake' but like every other pet, you can't just take it in without having a clue of how to care for it. You'll only find that out when the pet gets into trouble. This time, it's just not eating next time it's dead in his cage. An animal needs to get a good life. Adapted to his personal needs. Not beeing checked every now and then and ask question when he/she is starting to expire.

I do have trouble with people who just get a pet and don't bother how to look properly after it. You simply go to the internet, and download a little care sheet and your halfway there. Not very hard at all.

Out here in the real world animal neglect (Mind you, talking in general. I'm not talking about anyone in particulair here) is a serious issue. Not as in purposely (Though that happens a lot to.) but it simply not bothering or caring. Animals may live long and miserably. Before they are starting to 'expire'.

We can all sweet talk them into "Awwww. Well, at least you come here when your about to lose your pet. But hey, your obviously caring so we give you a little piece of information so you can hold on till you get to your next problem". Not really. Get off your ass and make sure you know how to take at least basic care for your pet, or don't have a pet at all. Then when you have question you can ask.

People need to take responibility.

As long as you don't do that your not really here for the snakes. But rather to socialice and 'make friends'. I'm here purely for the snakes. Not to play a little populairity contest. I know very well how good i handle animals in general. And if you feel like yelling i aint, well your lungs. I hope people will see my advice for what it's worth. And if they don't. Well, i hope the snakes will still be oke.

 

[Jicin]

Oh btw, i just wanted to give you guys a little hint.

If people leave (wich i doubt) it's because of frequent bad languance, huge bashing posts, beating a death horse over and over again, and generally showing how nice you people really are. Not my initial post. Just a tip.

 

[Azruial]

From what I have seen, Jicin makes a post that can be interpreted as offensive, someone reacts volently and starts acusing Jicin of being a hateful PETA-terrrorist-whatever, and Jicin overreacts and a huge fight ensues. If you re-read Jicin's post, you'll see that it's not nearly as bad as what you all are doing. Sure, Jicin came off as too critical, but you all seem to be looking for any excuse to tear jicin up for any little bit of cynicism.
Really, If that had been posted by zarozinia, for example, no one would have gotten all worked up about it like you did. We have to look at things a bit more objectively here, and keep level heads.

Not to change my stance or anything, but who are we to judge anyway? it is important that we learn before we commit to caring for a snake, and just because most of us prefer the 'nice' way, that dosen't give us the right to say that it is the best or only way.