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HELP!! Traumatic morning....

thanks

to everyone who helped out, thanks for the advice. im not going to even waste my time responding to a lot of the madness that was posted here. but dont worry mouse lovers, i have switched to the more tactful practice of putting the mouse in a paper bag and smashing it against the wall until it has a seizure.
 
shaqfan said:
to everyone who helped out, thanks for the advice. im not going to even waste my time responding to a lot of the madness that was posted here. but dont worry mouse lovers, i have switched to the more tactful practice of putting the mouse in a paper bag and smashing it against the wall until it has a seizure.
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Yet another opportunity lost..... :(
 
shaqfan said:
to everyone who helped out, thanks for the advice. im not going to even waste my time responding to a lot of the madness that was posted here. but dont worry mouse lovers, i have switched to the more tactful practice of putting the mouse in a paper bag and smashing it against the wall until it has a seizure.
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That is very inhumane.
 
Wow... this thread got very out of control very fast and it seems quite a few people have been wound up by it!.

Whether you condone the OP's actions or not, lets try not to lose sight he came here for Help. Obviously his hearts in the right place otherwise he wouldnt of come searching out help for his predicement, and as soon as he saw the mouse and snake fighting he got it out of there as quick as he could. If anything, the only mistake he made was assuming the mouse had been eaten when it was just infact hiding. We could sit here all day arguing the rights and wrongs of live feeding mice. But lets face it the OP isnt the first person on here to feed live mice to their snake and find out the hard way how easily it can go wrong, and i doubt he'll be the last, and that debate is not what the thread is here for.
As for feeding the mouse to the cat, Whats done is done. It may be right, it may be wrong but its not worth starting an argument over on here afterall, yet again thats not what this thread is here for.

As for disease, i wouldn't worry if you got the mouse from the same source as you've normally been feeding him from. If its from a reputable breeder, or a reputable live food retailer i'd assume it would be checked for disease and parasites before sale.

..But if it was a 'wild' mouse you caught in your home, that'd be a different story..

As for wounds, if theres no visible wounds and you've checked every last mm of him/her over - Your snakes probably fine physically. Its stress level will be through the roof though.
 
Nanci said:
That is very inhumane.
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nope, that doesn't sound like it is, but maybe he was being sacrastic? don't know, hard to tell, but honestly, how is anyone on here comparing the killing of a mouse by a snake and a cat the same thing? Snakes constrict, it is quick and while I am sure it is painful, it seems to more of a peaceful death. (yes I have a few snakes that will only accept live and I have watched them eat and the mouse does whimper and squeek at times, but it doesn't last long) compared to the way a cat can kill a mouse, it is like comparing death by the electic chair to having your throat cut with a plastic butter knife. Where we used to live our house was near a field and it was a drop off place for unwanted cats. We did put food out for them because my wife felt sorry for them. I would watch them hunt and let me tell you, seeing a mole having the flesh ripped off of it's back while it was still alive, or the baby bunny that became a complete game to which last awhile before it died suffered alot more than a constricted mouse. I kept telling myself, well they have to eat too, which is true, but if there was a choice or alternative, I think we as humans should choose it. As the original poster said it was "sweet revenge." No it was not, it was a cruel way to end it. It was neglect and irresponsiblity on the part to not ensure the mouse was dead. It was alive enough to attack and completely frighten the snake. Fault didn't lie with the mouse, but the owner, so "sweet revenge" for both the mouse and the snake would have been taking the sisters cat, putting it in the paper bag he is so found of, shaking it to no end, and then drop the cat down your pants. Now that would be sweet revenge for those who truly were affected.
 
hartsock said:
putting it in the paper bag he is so found of, shaking it to no end, and then drop the cat down your pants. Now that would be sweet revenge for those who truly were affected.
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Admin, delete my account, nobody on these forums is sane.
 
zion, delete yourself!

I repped Harksock for that.
He espoused my view exactly.
If compassion equals insanity, zion, you really don't belong here.
 
starsevol said:
zion, delete yourself!

I repped Harksock for that.
He espoused my view exactly.
If compassion equals insanity, zion, you really don't belong here.
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You have a funny way of understanding things. You take things out of context.

If compassion to you means putting a mouse and a cat in someone's pants because they made a mistake (figuratively of course), then you must agree with chopping people's hands off for stealing. Or public hangings, better yet, OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!
 
Funny, the other "insane" folks on here got my meaning.
Hmmm all of us are "insane" and then there's you!


And why are you still here?
Why not keep your word,
Off you go!
 
Or you know maybe they were being facectious because we're not cruel like that :rofl:

Aside though.
*sighs* It's frustrating to see that we can't often get along wtih each other. But what I think needs to be said often, is we're just looking out for the best intrest of the animals, any animal for that matter.
We may often get rabid and foam at the mouth, but that's only because we're passionate about what we do, and when sometimes we feel something is off we want nothing more than to right what we see as wrong and help out fellow herpers and their animals.
It doesn't make us bad people, just try to remember that. We do it for the love of the animals.
 
Jen hun,
There are just some people not WORTH getting along with.
People who hurt kids
People who hurt animals (or condone it)
serial killers
rapists

you know, it's not worth letting human debris break your heart.
 
starsevol said:
Funny, the other "insane" folks on here got my meaning.
Hmmm all of us are "insane" and then there's you!


And why are you still here?
Why not keep your word,
Off you go!
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No Comment.:spinner:

Corny Noob said:
But what I think needs to be said often, is we're just looking out for the best intrest of the animals, any animal for that matter.
We may often get rabid and foam at the mouth, but that's only because we're passionate about what we do, and when sometimes we feel something is off we want nothing more than to right what we see as wrong and help out fellow herpers and their animals.
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My problem with the whole deal, is that the mistake was made clear to the OP within the first few posts. And that problem is the fact the mouse and snake were left unsupervised. And I'm sure the OPer understood that mistake. However, people kept a steady flow of negative comments screaming animal cruelty and torture and banishing people to the depths of you know where, but in fact, nobody has answered to what should have been done with the possibly injured and dying mouse, other than smashing it on a table. Because apparently that's not cruel at all either.:shrugs:
 
But it all comes down to the popular opinion.
People can't help but chime in when they think they have something else to add to the situation. Even if yours isn't the "popular opinion" in this subject you still feel compelled to reply don't you?'
It's human nature.
 
I banished NO ONE to there.
I simply stated my BELIEF that people who behave like the OP did WILL END UP THERE. (and I hope they do)

Hartsock has seen the way cats kill prey.
They torture it to death, at least most do.
A whack against a table might NOT be painless, but it sure is quick and if there is suffering, it doesnt last long.

To PURPOSELY let that mouse suffer, the op was way beyond wrong. And for YOU to defend those actions, and condone them, makes you JUST AS WRONG.

Do you understand this? Or will I have to type slower?
 
zion said:
Admin, delete my account, nobody on these forums is sane.
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:)

Never claimed to be sane....

....but you watch a frighten prey item, no matter what it is, being played with, then having it's flesh ripped from it's body while it is still alive and you come to realize that death just isn't always death. I don't know the mouse died at the claws of the cat, but I can assume that it wasn't as easy of a death as with a constrictor like a corn. Even if it didn't play with it, it more than likely wasn't as quick and was more painful. Overall though, we can say a mouse is a mouse and it was born to die. However, I do agree with what Stevesol said and what I said before, it wasn't the mouses fault, he was doing what he needed to survive, it wasn't the snakes fault he needs to eat. Neither asked to be put in the situation of being in a tank with the "two men go in, one man comes out..." situation. That all rest upon you to ensure that the snake is safe and prey is cull or killed as humanely as possible.

I almost made the same mistake a few months ago, I put a live small mouse in with a Saharan sand boa who will only eat live and only if the cage is covered and the room is dark. There is no way to monitor that other than peeking once in a while, but if you do too much, she won't eat. I put one in, checked on her in 20 minutes, mouse was gone snake was laying by the water dish. I folded up the blanket I use as a cover and was getting ready to leave the room and thought, I better check the hide. And there was the mouse. recovered and check in 15 minutes, mouse gone. This is the only way she will eat and it is a risk that needs to be taken. ( I went through an 9 month ordeal with that snake not eating and almost lost her, till I gave in and tried live. She was almost too weak to even take down a small mouse, now she is doing great!)

if that snake had been bite or injured by the mouse, I would have been totally responsible for not checking the hide and ensuring the snake was in a safe environment. To me that would have warrented a cat in the pants. :rofl:

And as far as my mental stability, I leave you with a line from the theme song of my life....

"I'm not crazy, I'm just a little unwell, I know right now you can't tell, but wait awhile and then you'll see, a different side of me." :laugh01:

Guess you didn't have to wait that long huh?
 
Corny Noob said:
But it all comes down to the popular opinion.
People can't help but chime in when they think they have something else to add to the situation. Even if yours isn't the "popular opinion" in this subject you still feel compelled to reply don't you?'
It's human nature.
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Possibly, but I know there are people who share my opinion in saying that the bashing was not needed and taken way too far. The mistake was made, and the OP was made aware of it, very early in the thread, the rest of the bashing against the event was no longer necessary or productive, because nobody brought up a more humane way to go about the event and the way things unfolded.

And to be honest, the ownership of a pet reptile is a cruel thing in itself, because unlike pet mammals, these creatures cannot be fed on chow. They must be fed other creatures and therefore requires an industry the breeds mice who are destined to die in order to maintain the demand for reptile feed. Natural? I think not. In a natural setting, the mice are born in a world where they strive to survive, and arguably, succumb to natural selection although they all receive a fair chance at survival. The ones who do not survive; die from natural causes or by predatory attacks. In the breeding industry, they are destined for certain death, and that, is unarguably cruel. So as reptile owners, are we not all cruel?

I would go on but I feel the need to go put a cat and a mouse in my pants for being such a cruel person.:uhoh:
 
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