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HELP!! Traumatic morning....

starsevol said:
I banished NO ONE to there.
I simply stated my BELIEF that people who behave like the OP did WILL END UP THERE. (and I hope they do)

Hartsock has seen the way cats kill prey.
They torture it to death, at least most do.
A whack against a table might NOT be painless, but it sure is quick and if there is suffering, it doesnt last long.

To PURPOSELY let that mouse suffer, the op was way beyond wrong. And for YOU to defend those actions, and condone them, makes you JUST AS WRONG.

Do you understand this? Or will I have to type slower?
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First of all, the Bible (if this is the book of your beliefs) preaches you should forgive people for their actions, for you are not the judge of men. The teachings aim at creating a world of tolerance and understanding. Hoping people will go to hell is contradicting your own beliefs, for that is a cruel act in itself. Wishing eternal suffering on someone's soul.

Secondly, a whack against the table is not necessarily a sound way to kill the mouse, because it may appear dead, it may still be alive and very much suffering, unless of course, you are checking its vital signs.

Lastly, I don't condone animal cruelty, or making mice suffer. I am not a cat owner, nor have I ever, or will ever be, so I'm not familiar with the way the mouse in question was killed. If it was toyed with or simply gobbled up quickly. However, I do not believe your ways of doing business are any more humane. I feed FT which I have already explained is arguably a cruel act anyways, so your hands aren't clean of the dirt either my friend. I've been aruging mostly for the fact that people are quick to scream cruelty, without examining their own behaviors.

And just out of curiosity, starsevol, what level of education have you achieved? Not that it has any pertinance to the thread.
 
zion said:
First of all, the Bible (if this is the book of your beliefs) preaches you should forgive people for their actions, for you are not the judge of men. The teachings aim at creating a world of tolerance and understanding. Hoping people will go to hell is contradicting your own beliefs, for that is a cruel act in itself. Wishing eternal suffering on someone's soul.

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First off the Bible does say that we are not to judge, however it does not in any way promote a world of tolerance and understanding. AS a matter of fact Christ's own words say that he came to bring division and that He himself is the only way to heaven. I believe starsevol (sorry there starsevol, don't know where I got steve from....) was using the term figuratively and probably doesn't show any true deep bliefs.

I find this whole thread sorta funny because it seems like we are to just say, "oh well, live and learn there shaqfan, live and learn." It's true that we learn from our mistakes, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be taken out to the woodshed when we need it. I guess if the snake had lost an eye, we could just say, "live and learn" after all it does have another eye right? Above and beyond the feed live vs. prekilled.vs f/t debate is a side issue. The real issue is the carelessness of the original poster and instead of rubbing his back and saying "get next time tiger" there should be stern warnings given along with the "now you have learned something" speech. I welcomed the times when I got "spanked" by members on this site and on the other sites I visit because it stuck it my mind and I truly learned from it, but then maybe it is just me that likes things a little more upfront and not sugar coated.
 
zion said:
And to be honest, the ownership of a pet reptile is a cruel thing in itself, because unlike pet mammals, these creatures cannot be fed on chow. They must be fed other creatures
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What do you think "chow" is made of? Hopefully other creatures, if it has any sort of nutritional value at all...
 
shaqfan said:
to everyone who helped out, thanks for the advice. im not going to even waste my time responding to a lot of the madness that was posted here. but dont worry mouse lovers, i have switched to the more tactful practice of putting the mouse in a paper bag and smashing it against the wall until it has a seizure.
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Dying to know what your idea of "helping out is"

Heres to many more traumatic mornings for you.
 
zion said:
And just out of curiosity, starsevol, what level of education have you achieved? Not that it has any pertinance to the thread.
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So why are you asking? I know and you know, bashing and name calling isnt allowed here, but that is the slick mans way of calling someone an idiot.
 
hartsock said:
First off the Bible does say that we are not to judge, however it does not in any way promote a world of tolerance and understanding. AS a matter of fact Christ's own words say that he came to bring division and that He himself is the only way to heaven. I believe starsevol (sorry there starsevol, don't know where I got steve from....) was using the term figuratively and probably doesn't show any true deep bliefs.

I find this whole thread sorta funny because it seems like we are to just say, "oh well, live and learn there shaqfan, live and learn." It's true that we learn from our mistakes, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be taken out to the woodshed when we need it. I guess if the snake had lost an eye, we could just say, "live and learn" after all it does have another eye right? Above and beyond the feed live vs. prekilled.vs f/t debate is a side issue. The real issue is the carelessness of the original poster and instead of rubbing his back and saying "get next time tiger" there should be stern warnings given along with the "now you have learned something" speech. I welcomed the times when I got "spanked" by members on this site and on the other sites I visit because it stuck it my mind and I truly learned from it, but then maybe it is just me that likes things a little more upfront and not sugar coated.
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I thought I already said I wasn't religious. What is this of a book?
Oh, and no worries Hartsock. My name's Beth, but one of my favorite snakes is named Steve! :)

Sorry, I edited due to a spelling error. My bad!
 
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zion said:
I feed FT which I have already explained is arguably a cruel act anyways, so your hands aren't clean of the dirt either my friend. I've been aruging mostly for the fact that people are quick to scream cruelty, without examining their own behaviors.
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I think the quote that ruffled feathers was

"i took the mouse out (and subsequently introduced it to my sister's cat... revenge was sweet)"

I believe (and Im too lazy to scroll back) that I was the first one to mention what was done to the mouse was....un-necessary. No one is claiming to have clean hands because they feed pre killed from the store. But the tone in that quote is sure as hell lacking from my attitude and intentions with feeding my snakes.

"Revenge was sweet" like what? Getting off on watching the mouse be tortured and ripped to shreds? Do you get a rise out of going to Petco and buying a baggy of dead rodents? I sure dont.


And if it was a joke, it was far from humorous.
 
JustineNYC said:
I think the quote that ruffled feathers was

"i took the mouse out (and subsequently introduced it to my sister's cat... revenge was sweet)"

I believe (and Im too lazy to scroll back) that I was the first one to mention what was done to the mouse was....un-necessary. No one is claiming to have clean hands because they feed pre killed from the store. But the tone in that quote is sure as hell lacking from my attitude and intentions with feeding my snakes.

"Revenge was sweet" like what? Getting off on watching the mouse be tortured and ripped to shreds? Do you get a rise out of going to Petco and buying a baggy of dead rodents? I sure dont.


And if it was a joke, it was far from humorous.
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It wasn't necessarily aimed at you, actually not at all, it was directed at someone else with whom I had an ongoing discussion. Also, I didn't make the "revenge joke" nor did I say it was funny.
 
zion said:
It wasn't necessarily aimed at you, actually not at all, it was directed at someone else with whom I had an ongoing discussion. Also, I didn't make the "revenge joke" nor did I say it was funny.
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I can see that.

But you made reference to people who feed FT, which is myself and a load of other people so the quote didnt have to be aimed at anyone.

And you also reference people who "scream cruelty" and like I said, if you scroll back, I am the first to point out how cruel that was. Which is why I responded.
 
JustineNYC said:
I can see that.

But you made reference to people who feed FT, which is myself and a load of other people so the quote didnt have to be aimed at anyone.

And you also reference people who "scream cruelty" and like I said, if you scroll back, I am the first to point out how cruel that was. Which is why I responded.
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Take notice of my post on FT earlier in this thread where I explain my view, I am myself a FT user and I discuss that in the post as well.
 
Corny Noob said:
All animals are created equal.
Some are just more equal than others.

:D
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I think it'll take more than a few jokes to calm this thread down! :shrugs: Unfortunatly!.

Maybe time to bring in the professionals...

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(Hope the image works :eek1:)
 
JustineNYC said:
I think the quote that ruffled feathers was

"i took the mouse out (and subsequently introduced it to my sister's cat... revenge was sweet)"

I believe (and Im too lazy to scroll back) that I was the first one to mention what was done to the mouse was....un-necessary. No one is claiming to have clean hands because they feed pre killed from the store. But the tone in that quote is sure as hell lacking from my attitude and intentions with feeding my snakes.

"Revenge was sweet" like what? Getting off on watching the mouse be tortured and ripped to shreds? Do you get a rise out of going to Petco and buying a baggy of dead rodents? I sure dont.


And if it was a joke, it was far from humorous.
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Yup, that's pretty much where I lost it, too!
 
zion said:
Take notice of my post on FT earlier in this thread where I explain my view, I am myself a FT user and I discuss that in the post as well.
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Noted.

And again I am a FT user too, and Im telling you that "Revenge was sweet" is what set this discussion off. I dont see anyone claiming to be a saint because they choose the FT method. But there is a leap in there between 'Haha revenge was sweet, look what you did to my snake, die little mouse die' and someone like myself who chooses to avoid the live prey thing altogether and let someone else handle the killing.

Do mice die because there is a demand for FT rodents? Yea. But again, I dont get jollies from it.

For myself (Yes I know its been explained it wasnt aimed at me, but Ive already said it kinda was aimed at anyone who does the FT and thinks revenge is cruel) The inflicting intentional harm for revenge was the repulsive part of this thread. At least the first repulsive part, there was alot after that, that ensued.
 
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