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Military. *your Thoughts*

BrandNew,
My brother was wanting to be a seal when he went in. They put him through some rough swimming trials and everything... You have to pass a lot of physical tests before they consider you for SEALS, he ended up hurting himself during one of the tests and decided it wasn't for him.. He is now under the Pacific ocean on a Sub, and he loves his job. So pick a beginning career that you will like, something that you can fall back on if you need to.

Aye, the second best (if you don't make the Seals) usually go subs, and usually nuclear power.
One word of advice, research research research- learn what it is all about (I also concur, do NOT go to a recruiter, they are full of BS).
I work on Submarines nearly every day and I cannot tell you how many young men I deal with daily who had absolutely no idea what they were getting themselves into when signing up: they miss home, hate the routines, HATE duty, hate having to leave loved ones pier-side for months at a time- even relocating- which makes it near impossible to have any substantial or trustworthy relationship, dislike a lot of their superiors (as I've stated most rising in the ranks around here occurs more from politics rather than knowledge of the equipment or decent people skills) and they constantly learning how to understand and operate the equipment- while you are here, you essentially give your life to your equipment AND the Navy.
There are a few (like your brother, Outcast) who like their job and want to put their best forward. But more than anything I hear the constant "I can't wait to get out in blank years, months".
I guess what I am saying is, be SURE you know what you are getting into and be SURE you will like, or at least understand, what your options are if the Seals fall through.
 
from what i learned you need no Prior Navy experince and i got this from the navy website.

http://www.navy.com/about/navylife/onduty/seals/becomingaseal/

Also what do you mean skip the recruiter?

What I meant by "skip the recruiter" is exactly that. A recruiter's job is to do just that recruit. That's their mission. They are not gonna give you sound information. Recruiters,well most recruiters are gonna sugar coat things to make everything sound sweet. Though,they may not lie to you,but just won't give you the whole truth. Trust me,I been around the military for a quite a while now.
 
Honestly the only regrets I have about the military is that I didn't do it sooner in life. You'll have good times and bad times that are more memorable and powerful than you can get from probably any other job.
I don't know if I'd be so stuck on Special Forces or SEALS from the beginning though, pick a job you like and that will qualify you for all the 'tough' schools and do your best. Chances are you won't make it through that path right? Then again, I know a guy who was an Army cook with me, always said he'd go SF. People used to laugh at him, 'Yeah right combat cook!'. Well, now has made it, he let me know he's out of selection now (passed!) and was heading into his training. It only took him about 8 years! But there's the other side of the coin. If you're fit, smart, and you want it bad enough you can do it.
 
All you guys in the army. How did you get over the fear? Like Skydiving, And scuba diving, and just the fear overall of death and everything howd you do it?
 
All you guys in the army. How did you get over the fear? Like Skydiving, And scuba diving, and just the fear overall of death and everything howd you do it?

Are you being rude to those in the Army or are you really asking about fear?
As far as death that will happen military or not.
 
Are you being rude to those in the Army or are you really asking about fear?
As far as death that will happen military or not.

Being Rude??? I dont know how this came across...
But this whole post has been of me asking Genuine questions. When i think of it i have fear. Im afraid to jump out a airplane. not so much scuba diving but this all happens in the seals i have no idea how i came across as rude...
 
Being Rude??? I dont know how this came across...
But this whole post has been of me asking Genuine questions. When i think of it i have fear. Im afraid to jump out a airplane. not so much scuba diving but this all happens in the seals i have no idea how i came across as rude...

I think because you said you are stubborn determined and the recruiter told me this and that. You never expressed fear or trepidation. Most of the people who answered are were in Army and most told you not to believe recruiter.
I was a Marine brat, my Dad was in 21 years, drill instructor and a recruiter. So be afraid be very afraid. The biggest fear will not be jumping out of a plane or scuba diving or even knowing you are going to a war zone. It will be when you are looking in another humans eyes and knowing it is kill or be killed.
I have every respect for the military and admire those who fight for our rights, but I could not do it, kill another human.
 
I think because you said you are stubborn determined and the recruiter told me this and that. You never expressed fear or trepidation. Most of the people who answered are were in Army and most told you not to believe recruiter.
I was a Marine brat, my Dad was in 21 years, drill instructor and a recruiter. So be afraid be very afraid. The biggest fear will not be jumping out of a plane or scuba diving or even knowing you are going to a war zone. It will be when you are looking in another humans eyes and knowing it is kill or be killed.
I have every respect for the military and admire those who fight for our rights, but I could not do it, kill another human.

I said i was Stubborn and Determined because i was showing how i would be dedicated through seal training. Also i never spoke to an ACTUAL recruiter nor did i ever say i did witch is what i dont understand why everyone thinks i have. I got the information from the US Navy SEALS website. That website told me everything including that only 70% of navy seals make it. There was no BS. involed
 
No one insinuated that you did see a recruiter. They are just warning you NOT to. I've seen plenty of recruiters in action and they tell you that the military life is all butterflies and rainbows with pots of honey and gold at the end of the rainbows. Essentially they go over all the highlights of the military (most of it IS true) but leave out the negative parts of the military. I think someone already said something similar earlier in the thread but it IS the truth, if you want to know how it really is, don't ask a recruiter. Remember- they are like a car salesman- it's their job to get you to sign on the dotted line.
 
I said i was Stubborn and Determined because i was showing how i would be dedicated through seal training. Also i never spoke to an ACTUAL recruiter nor did i ever say i did witch is what i dont understand why everyone thinks i have. I got the information from the US Navy SEALS website. That website told me everything including that only 70% of navy seals make it. There was no BS. involed

OK, not going to debate you on the military. The website you refer to and many others are created by the dept. of the Navy and it's recruiters. I think perhaps you should go to a VA hosp., talk to vets and form opinions there. Think about what you will be doing, also think about what the Navy could do with you short of the Seals are you prepared to do anything in the Navy?
How do you know for a act the website was fact no BS?????
 
Changed my mind. So I grew up in the Marine Corp., and I know I repeating someone elses sentiments. This is what I remember 8 schools by the eighth grade, walking up to a Marine in dress blues at Great Lakes Naval Hosp (Whoty will apprecaite this), when I as four yo jumping in his arms and calling him Daddy, he was a Black man and I am caucasion. I only saw the uniform. I saw my parents divorce after 24 years of marriage because my Mom had no friends and my Dad had one, beer. He fought in three wars had two purple hearts and never talked about any of it, nor would he. When I was a kid and we were stationed in 29 Palms a school field trip was to see Howitzers and other big guns being shot off. The list goes on and very little of it was really good.
I think what most are saying here is think about this before you make up your mind, be flexible, think of alternatives.
I feel like if you are going to drink and drive watch some of the videos of what happens as a result accidents, death... If you want to know what the military is like give up most of your own will to choose when you eat, when you sleep, where you sleep and then add extreme heat or cold, bad food, living with others... that is the military.
 
I have never been in the military...

but my brother retired as a major in the Army - MP division (I guess it is called that) after about 22 years or so, and all 4 of my sister's kids were in the service (Army, Navy, and 2 in the Marines) for several years each.

I asked my brother some questions when a good friend was thinking about joining. From what he told me (and several others who served, too), the main things they were happy about was the chance to travel and see the world, and get a different perspective on life. And the chance to learn a career. One of the big negatives from a couple of people was that they had not gotten training that helped them get a job in civilian life, and they regretted that for years afterward. That job training seemed to be a common thread among vets I talked to - they either thought it was one of the best benefits (if they chose the right job), or one of their biggest regrets. My brother said there are a few important things to know about that before signing on the dotted line. If you don't get the correct promises in writing, the recruiter might tell you a certain job will be yours, but it won't be. BE SURE to have a knowledgeable mentor help you with that aspect.

Based on what I have heard from those with experience, it seems that it is very important to decide on a job that you qualify for on the exams, one that will be valuable in civilian life, and make sure you get everything on paper. Then, I guess you work on the SEAL stuff later ? Don't know anything about that. But if you do decide to go in, I would REALLY suggest finding a mentor (or several) vets who can make sure the recruiter does not lead you astray, and that what you THINK you are signing up for is really what you want.

One other thing I should mention. My nephew went into the Marines right after high school. He was very excited and filled with testosterone when he went to Iraq as the crew chief on one of those giant helicopters as big as a house. He also had to man the guns, too. After just a few months into his tour, he was very much less excited about the whole idea. He doesn't really like to talk about it much. But I think he saw and did a lot of things there that changed him, and they were things that most of us are really happy not to know about. Anticipation of battle seems to be very different from the actuality of it, based on stories from vets. Fortunately, I have no personal knowledge of this myself. But it is something to think about, and perhaps discuss with those who have personal experience of it.
 
I know I was excited to go to war the first time, and the first time wasn't so hard. It was before the Afghan's started pushing back real hard. This last deployment hit me hard though, and I didn't really talk to my fiance about what was going on inside of me until last Sunday night. I was always raised to talk about what is going on, and I have noticed that talking about it helps out a lot with getting closer on certain things. Of course it brings other things to the surface that I would rather not remember, but those are the things that began to fester and make me angry at everything.

Just remember, everyone acts differently when put in the situation where it is kill or be killed, I always expected myself to be scared and try to get under cover... At the time it happened I wasn't scared, the adrenalin was pumping too much to let me know that I was scared. It wasn't until I thought about everything I had done in order to survive that I was scared. I did not like what I became in that situation, but I understand it was necessary in order for me to live and protect the guys in my truck.

It is all how you deal with yourself after you go through something like that, that defines you. I held it in and kept getting angry at everyone around me for the simplest things. But since I have opened up to people and let them know what I had to do, they have helped me come to my senses.

Oh, and after it is all said and done, Killing people is not a fun job. War is not a video game were once you die you re-spawn and go at it again. I lost a close friend of mine over there this last time. I have never met a man that could take everything in stride the way he did, and still laugh about it later. He was one of the greatest guys I have ever met.

In fact, I could never have to do that again and be completely happy for the rest of my life.
 
Next Question.

If SEALS = SEa Air Land Missions.

Whats the diffrence between Marines and Green Barets. And not like they go here i mean missions and jobs what are their jobs individualy?

CounterTerrisom Blaah Blaah BLaah..
 
Based on what I have heard from those with experience, it seems that it is very important to decide on a job that you qualify for on the exams, one that will be valuable in civilian life, and make sure you get everything on paper. Then, I guess you work on the SEAL stuff later ? Don't know anything about that.

Kathy is correct. No one can join as a SEAL or as Special Forces. Recruiters can recruit for Special Forces, but all the promises in writing are contingent on your graduating from all the schools. If you don't, you're still in the service and you do a different job which will likely be in your contract as well. It's very important if you are thinking of joining that you will enjoy what your actual job is. That means the job they will use you for should you wash out- the job you are until you graduate as a SEAL or whatever. Or that you have the kind of attitude that you will enjoy the unexpected and just roll with the punches. If you feel that you won't have a positive experience unless you are a SEAL, just forget the service. Nothing will be like you imagine it is now, even if you dream of being an Army cook it won't be what you think it is. The same holds true for any job in the military. The most successful approach you can have is that you want to do things that you've never done before, you like change and you are flexible. If you also want to give SEAL a shot, great. Most people who have a miserable experience in the service have done a good number on themselves, not the recruiter or the service.

As far as not talking to a recruiter as some are suggesting, I don't know any other path in. Can you go to MEPS without a recruiter bringing you? Even then you are going to sit down with a recruiter at MEPS. I would take every promise with a grain of salt (though usually the error is in the recruits mind- make sure what you imagine the recruiter is saying is what they are actually saying make them be clear about things that are hard to understand as a civilian) and I would do my own homework on the side (talk to guys in the actual job that you want to do), and I would make sure everything told to you (that's important to you) is in the actual writing before you sign. If you don't see it, make them show you where it is on the same document. But other than that- definitely go see a recruiter when you're old enough if that's still what you want then. Recruiters aren't bad guys.

Next Question.

If SEALS = SEa Air Land Missions.

Whats the diffrence between Marines and Green Barets. And not like they go here i mean missions and jobs what are their jobs individualy?

CounterTerrisom Blaah Blaah BLaah..

Marines are a branch of service, Green Berets are SF in the Army. What do they do? What they are told, I guess. You'll have to be one to know!
 
Oh ok thanks all. I have spoken to my mom about all this. I plan on furthering my education. Joining the Naval Acadmey. Becoming an Officer of the Navy SEALs. or thats atleast my plan lol thanks guy!
 
I am glad you are planning to go that route, The military needs good officers. Just remember, if and when you become an officer. Your men should come first. Do what you can to take care of them, and they will take care of you...
My captain on this last deployment Yelled at the Commander who was over him in order to protect his mens lives. We did everything we could to make him look good from then on.
 
I am glad you are planning to go that route, The military needs good officers. Just remember, if and when you become an officer. Your men should come first. Do what you can to take care of them, and they will take care of you...
My captain on this last deployment Yelled at the Commander who was over him in order to protect his mens lives. We did everything we could to make him look good from then on.

Thats cool man support is the best thing to have in the military.
Folowing my moms response i was surprised. My whole family was in the military and most pretty high ranking
 
OPPPS FORGOT TO ADD THE REST.!!!! so i think my family suport is pretty strong and im glad that my mom accteped my Decsions. for now im saving up money for some fins to practice swimming in and doing 3-4mile runs so yea i hope it goes well for me
 
When I was in the Navy we sometimes "worked with" the SEALs. I got to know some of the guys and talk to them at length. I think Chet put it best, the training is mental. You are prepared physically, but even that is part of the mental training. They are taught that they can do it, just about anything. Most are just regular guys, but when it's time to work they're not quite the same.

I don't want this to be about submarines, but this post confuses me Tara.

Aye, the second best (if you don't make the Seals) usually go subs, and usually nuclear power.
One word of advice, research research research- learn what it is all about (I also concur, do NOT go to a recruiter, they are full of BS).
I work on Submarines nearly every day and I cannot tell you how many young men I deal with daily who had absolutely no idea what they were getting themselves into when signing up: they miss home, hate the routines, HATE duty, hate having to leave loved ones pier-side for months at a time- even relocating- which makes it near impossible to have any substantial or trustworthy relationship, dislike a lot of their superiors (as I've stated most rising in the ranks around here occurs more from politics rather than knowledge of the equipment or decent people skills) and they constantly learning how to understand and operate the equipment- while you are here, you essentially give your life to your equipment AND the Navy.
There are a few (like your brother, Outcast) who like their job and want to put their best forward. But more than anything I hear the constant "I can't wait to get out in blank years, months".
I guess what I am saying is, be SURE you know what you are getting into and be SURE you will like, or at least understand, what your options are if the Seals fall through.

I was in the Navy for eight years and I only knew of two men in the submarine service who tried out for SEAL training and didn't get in.
In the US Submarine Service you go through Sub School. Sub School is taught on a sub base, by other submariners. In the schools there you are not only taught a lot about submarines, but also about submarine life. You hear all of the stories, all about the hours, the work, the fun, the danger, the long deployments, being out of touch with the world, everything. By the time you get to a boat you are well aware of everything that you are getting yourself into. That's the way it works best, no surprises on submarines.
Many relationships, marriages and otherwise, fail in the submarine community. It works for some, and I don't know statistics, but I don't recommend mixing the two. No argument there.
Rising in the ranks in submarines is only done if the candidate is fully qualified. The line officers have it the toughest, they go through a rotation. In their submarine career they will be the officer for each division; nav officer, weapons officer, communications officer, engineer, etc. Then they must serve as executive officer on a boat, with the ultimate goal being a command of their own. No political passes, no radioed (phoned in) qualifications.
The crew on a submarine is tight, the whole crew. Of course officers are distinguished by rank and training and given all the respect their position merits, but are every bit a friend and brother just like the rest of the crew. Even in home port officers attend parties at crew members houses, get togethers usually are for the whole crew. If one of the Os showed up unannounced it would be a good thing, another crew member present at the party. Again, that's the way that it works.
You can't have hating at sea on a submarine, there's nowhere to get away and everyone MUST work together when you're hundreds of feet under the water punching holes in the oceans.
That constantly learning about the equipment and giving your life to the equipment and the Navy? That's what you DO, that's your JOB, that's what you volunteered for when you went subs, and it is very apparent that's the way it will be before you get to a boat.
If a sailor in the US Submarine Service hates being there they're not stuck, they can get out. Submarines in the US Navy are totally voluntary. You don't want someone going to sea if they don't want to be there and be part of the crew, really don't.
I got out in 86. I can see some things changing, but a submarine crew must operate as a tight team all of the time, no slack. Like I said, you don't want surprises on submarines.
 
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