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Missing person : Betsy (username: "wstphal")

Well I suppose that I am not overwhelmed with surprise. Nothing short of such a drastic explanation would have fitted the dramatic and sudden change in attitude.

Sorry to hear about your health condition, I am sorry you had to go through that... and I'm sorry that so many people lost animals. I mentioned to some of you that I think the snakes may have passed, and the shame was too great for her to handle and so she stopped all contact... now it's obvious that it was just a tiny part of a much larger picture.
 
Damn. I sent her one of my favorites that year, among 11 others that were my friendliest hatchlings that season. I had really hoped she had rehomed them, or at worst, just kept them and didn't pay.
 
ladyseeking said:
I and my spouse became romantically involved with Betsy for over 10 years. It was a bit of a long distance relationship where we would visit about every month or so.

Also, She evidently was involved in cheating on us with a person.......... about this time.
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I'm a dollar late and a day short to this swinging party but I just have to ask, because there have been so many instances of multiple cornsnake keepers and breeders sharing hotel rooms in Daytona and other herp shows I have been to around the country, and so many double awn.tawn.dreys I have heard and I was polite but always wondered if they were feeling frisky and now seeing all of this. And its not just about cornsnakes it seems to be all of the reptile people and so many of them are hot in one way or another and multiple ways especially the ones that have posted already and I wasn't sure if I should have feelings like that for them so just ignored my feelings for them in that way. Okay so Betsy was cheating on a married couple by seeing a single individual on the side that's not right for sure because that's not what monogamy wait what? Wait. No. Um. Dang. Ouch. Okay, so. Okay, so next time my suspicions are aroused should I act on them to bring the cornsnake community closer together? I havent felt this confused since I was 17 and ready. Thanks for sharing I think
 
Just caught up on the entire thread - wow...

My condolences to those who lost animals and friends. Shows how little we really know other people sometimes, no matter how hard we may try...
 
dave partington said:
I'm a dollar late and a day short to this swinging party but I just have to ask, because there have been so many instances of multiple cornsnake keepers and breeders sharing hotel rooms in Daytona and other herp shows I have been to around the country, and so many double awn.tawn.dreys I have heard and I was polite but always wondered if they were feeling frisky and now seeing all of this. And its not just about cornsnakes it seems to be all of the reptile people and so many of them are hot in one way or another and multiple ways especially the ones that have posted already and I wasn't sure if I should have feelings like that for them so just ignored my feelings for them in that way. Okay so Betsy was cheating on a married couple by seeing a single individual on the side that's not right for sure because that's not what monogamy wait what? Wait. No. Um. Dang. Ouch. Okay, so. Okay, so next time my suspicions are aroused should I act on them to bring the cornsnake community closer together? I havent felt this confused since I was 17 and ready. Thanks for sharing I think
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Dave, you are (and I am sure you know) making a bazillion assumptions here.
In one big assumption : you believe that everything you think you know is true. Or maybe I am wrong, and wisely you do not.
I say this to you in the most affectionate, good-spirited way, as I still consider myself in your circle of friends.

And I say this as the owner-starter of this thread. And typically as my old scrutinizing and skeptical self.

In any event, similar to how oil floats on even the deepest of seas, I suppose the objective of this thread has been the subject of a satisfactory(?) oil spill of an explanation and has (the thread, that is) neared the closest approximation to a conclusion of its purpose that we'll get, or what we are going to have to content ourselves with at this time, at any rate.
 
vetusvates said:
Dave, you are (and I am sure you know) making a bazillion assumptions here.
In one big assumption : you believe that everything you think you know is true. Or maybe I am wrong, and wisely you do not.
I say this to you in the most affectionate, good-spirited way, as I still consider myself in your circle of friends.

And I say this as the owner-starter of this thread. And typically as my old scrutinizing and skeptical self.

In any event, similar to how oil floats on even the deepest of seas, I suppose the objective of this thread has been the subject of a satisfactory(?) oil spill of an explanation and has (the thread, that is) neared the closest approximation to a conclusion of its purpose that we'll get, or what we are going to have to content ourselves with at this time, at any rate.
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Supposing if there's a chance some words pop off the screen to an individual more then to the next person, arbitrary, subjective, relative proximity, perspective to where one is at the scene of the situation:

I've had a highly diverse series of satisfactions in my time. As you are aware. The more ancient I become the more facts I question, and most of what cognizantly appears true seems to often be rehashed assumptions others took for fact, passed on, and believed true, because a trusted source provided said info. It's good to dibble in oily waters to determine freely, without pre judgement (getting back to assumed truths). I am of course, forever, still processing all of this lifetimes' knowledge. Hard BOIfriends are good to find. Always good to have online social intercourse with you my friend. Zingers. ;)

***Assuming my assumptions of your kryptic assumptions of my kryppie assumptions are factual of course***
***otherwise please disregard this post***
All the best
Crazy dave
 
ladyseeking thank you for coming forward to bring people closure even if it is painful to hear the fate of these beautiful animals- and none of them was mine so I can't imagine how people feel that did sell to her.
The thought of racks full of snakes dying from lack of care makes me so sick to my stomach. I wish there were some crystal ball a breeder could look into before selling or loaning out one of our babies and make sure they would never end up in situations of neglect.
 
She could have contacted any number of us and we'd have paid shipping to have taken them in, if not bought them back. For that matter, there are rescues everywhere. I can understand being overwhelmed, even to the point of being unable to care for your pets. But I can never wrap my head around just continuing on with my life knowing animals in my home are dying without food or water. And to think she was practicing medicine that whole time.
 
I agree, that's a part of our realization of where her headspace is damaged. Sadly, many with what we suspect she may have first abuse animals then move on to those humans in their lives.
It's a subject that I really never wanted to have to learn about...
 
just read this for the first time and feel quite ill with sadness

RIP all the animals

hugs to everyone who lost snakes .... Please don't blame yourselves.

It seems something twisted and broke in this person's mind and soul for a reason probably we will never know. But it couldn't have been an obvious thing as so many of you knew her and trusted her, so ...... it seems you couldn't have predicted it. So sorry.
 
ghosthousecorns said:
ladyseeking thank you for coming forward to bring people closure even if it is painful to hear the fate of these beautiful animals- and none of them was mine so I can't imagine how people feel that did sell to her.
The thought of racks full of snakes dying from lack of care makes me so sick to my stomach. I wish there were some crystal ball a breeder could look into before selling or loaning out one of our babies and make sure they would never end up in situations of neglect.
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I don't want to hijack this thread cause she had several of my babies but I have to thank Jen again for rescuing some loaner snakes that I had up in the Northwest. The person I loaned them to turned out to have a addiction problem and my snakes were sitting on the porch of her parents house and would have surely died if not for her.
Thanks again
John
 
Chip said:
She could have contacted any number of us and we'd have paid shipping to have taken them in, if not bought them back. For that matter, there are rescues everywhere. I can understand being overwhelmed, even to the point of being unable to care for your pets. But I can never wrap my head around just continuing on with my life knowing animals in my home are dying without food or water. And to think she was practicing medicine that whole time.
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Rational thought at this point no longer existed, so it's reasonable that you won't "wrap your head" around it... borderline personality pathology is quite severe and hardly a laughing matter, if that's indeed the case.
 
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