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mouse bite--owch :(

How anyone could possibly condone such cruelty is beyond me. I'm no bleeding heart tree-hugging vegan. I grew up with family who were farmers and my earlist memories are of rabbits my dad had shot for dinner, helping my great-uncle choose pigs for slaughter and actually seeing them killed before I'd even started school. I was always taught that the animals we ate deserved decent treatment during their life and a humane death.
 
l0ck_0ff said:
bluetengel my denitst hates uplling teeth but has still pulled some and still cut my wisdoms out. i never said it was legitamate either.

vickychaitea- my buddies uncle is our animal control and he owns snakes and other animals and has gone in there and knows what he does. he doesnt care one bit because his job is animal control not animal handler control. he doesnt care about mice because by me they get into stuff and cause trouble.... no one is going to do anything about some feeders.... i dont exactly see why make a deal of oh lets report him.... i get my feeders through him otherwise i dont care what he does. im a Marine not PETA
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Ok, but you said people can do anything to feeders legally (for sure?). That does not mean you can't commit animal cruelty on them, does it? That's not what I got from programs about animal cops and such. Animals meant to be eaten should be provided with minimal requirements and cannot be abused or neglected as far as I know.

Does being a marine mean that you can't live conform your principles concerning animals? There is quite a distance between being an activist and not caring at all. I do think a local SPCA office or such would care about it. They don't see a difference morally between a feeder or a pet mouse.
 
snakemaster24 said:
I have one question for you, how would you like it if you had your teeth pulled out of your head and then you got constricted by a snake. That is so inhumane and gross, I hope he knows he is going to hell. I'm sorry but that is unacceptable.
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I hope he goes to a special heaven where he gets treated EXACTLY the same as he treated animals on earth. It would make me violently ill to walk into a shop where they did that, to have a business transaction with someone who thought that was all right.
 
Blutengel said:
Does being a marine mean that you can't live conform your principles concerning animals? There is quite a distance between being an activist and not caring at all. I do think a local SPCA office or such would care about it. They don't see a difference morally between a feeder or a pet mouse.
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Being a Marine is his excuse to bully people, use bad grammer, say he is cool, followed by the words he defends the country for people like me. Well I know enough about the Marines to say hell no his actions if they are real and not just his mouth proceeding his brain would not be tolerated. The Marine Corp demands respect for people and animals. Who is he trying to convince he is a Marine himself or us. I have lived with, around and near Marines a great part of my life much more then his what year or two of wanna be. Marines and all military are men not punks and if a punk gets through they get weeded out quickly.

To the OP sorry for the bite I have been bitten several times by rodents and OUCH, they do tak time to heal.
 
8This comprehensive Humane Care of Animals Act from Illinois gives the requisite anti-cruelty provisions. "Animal" means every living creature, domestic or wild, but does not include man. Notably, the Act includes a provisions for psychological counseling for a person convicted of violating this section. An individual is guilty of a Class B misdemeanor for the first offense and a second or subsequent violation is a Class 4 felony with every day that a violation continues constituting a separate offense. The Act includes special provisions for juveniles and "companion animal hoarders" (510 ILCS 70/2.10). The cruelty provisions are listed at 510 ILCS 70/3.01, 3.02, and 3.03. (If the convicted person is a juvenile or a companion animal hoarder, the court must order the convicted person to undergo a psychological or psychiatric evaluation and to undergo treatment that the court determines to be appropriate after due consideration of the evaluation.) The owner's duty provisions (510 ILCS 70/3) spell out what care an owner must provide and the legal consequences of neglect. The Act also includes provisions related to guide dog and service animals, police animals, and animal fighting. The statute also prohibits the marketing and distribution of depictions of animal torture or cruelty for entertainment purposes (510 ILCS 70/3.03-1).

(510 ILCS 70/3.01)

Sec. 3.01. Cruel treatment. No person or owner may beat, cruelly treat, torment, starve, overwork or otherwise abuse any animal. No owner may abandon any animal where it may become a public charge or may suffer injury, hunger or exposure.

Where is the part that feeder animals are not included? They are not mentioned as a separate group anywhere.

Yes, I am going on and on but I can't stand it when people claim things they can't support with actual laws.
 
Blutengel said:
8This comprehensive Humane Care of Animals Act from Illinois gives the requisite anti-cruelty provisions. "Animal" means every living creature, domestic or wild, but does not include man. Notably, the Act includes a provisions for psychological counseling for a person convicted of violating this section. An individual is guilty of a Class B misdemeanor for the first offense and a second or subsequent violation is a Class 4 felony with every day that a violation continues constituting a separate offense. The Act includes special provisions for juveniles and "companion animal hoarders" (510 ILCS 70/2.10). The cruelty provisions are listed at 510 ILCS 70/3.01, 3.02, and 3.03. (If the convicted person is a juvenile or a companion animal hoarder, the court must order the convicted person to undergo a psychological or psychiatric evaluation and to undergo treatment that the court determines to be appropriate after due consideration of the evaluation.) The owner's duty provisions (510 ILCS 70/3) spell out what care an owner must provide and the legal consequences of neglect. The Act also includes provisions related to guide dog and service animals, police animals, and animal fighting. The statute also prohibits the marketing and distribution of depictions of animal torture or cruelty for entertainment purposes (510 ILCS 70/3.03-1).

(510 ILCS 70/3.01)

Sec. 3.01. Cruel treatment. No person or owner may beat, cruelly treat, torment, starve, overwork or otherwise abuse any animal. No owner may abandon any animal where it may become a public charge or may suffer injury, hunger or exposure.

Where is the part that feeder animals are not included? They are not mentioned as a separate group anywhere.

Yes, I am going on and on but I can't stand it when people claim things they can't support with actual laws.
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I am sorry, I am one of the people who mistakenly believes that feeder animals are exempt from anti cruelty laws because they are bred to be fed (alive or dead) to something else and do not fall under the same laws as companion animals do.
And I hope I am wrong,I really really do. Right now I have 2.2 PET rats at home that will never be bred or fed to anything, and I truly love them and spoil them rotten.
Not that I am saying that this is right, AT ALL. I personally think this deplorable creature should be publically exposed, mocked, driven out of business, jailed and castrated for starters.
*this after trying to decide between wearing my leather or rabbit fur coat this morning and having a nice rare cheeseburger for lunch*
 
starsevol said:
I am sorry, I am one of the people who mistakenly believes that feeder animals are exempt from anti cruelty laws because they are bred to be fed (alive or dead) to something else and do not fall under the same laws as companion animals do.
And I hope I am wrong,I really really do. Right now I have 2.2 PET rats at home that will never be bred or fed to anything, and I truly love them and spoil them rotten.
Not that I am saying that this is right, AT ALL. I personally think this deplorable creature should be publically exposed, mocked, driven out of business, jailed and castrated for starters.
*this after trying to decide between wearing my leather or rabbit fur coat this morning and having a nice rare cheeseburger for lunch*
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I guess you are wrong, see the text I quoted. That's why I always check ramblings on laws by others. I think people who want to talk themselves out of trouble bring these ideas into this world, and they do so succesfully apparently. I do know that people with a dominant, self confident attitude are able to make others believe stuff that's not true.

I do hope that lock off knows his marine codes and ethics better then he does the law.
 
LOL.... I find the back and forth over the mouse torture a bit humorous. I've seen people take hammers, baseball bats, axes and the like to mice they find in their homes or garages. It's funny to watch the idiot with a hammer try to whack a mouse on the move. The mouse usually is faster.... but will eventually wear out. Or you ever see one of those GLUE traps where the mice get stuck and will gnaw off their own foot in an attempt to get free???


I'm not saying pulling the mice teeth out while its alive is cool.... because it's not. I just don't think it's worth all the hullabaloo in this thread. Does anyone really think the media would give a rat's ass (pun intended) about this? I seriously doubt it.

In the grand scheme of things.... humans torture mice every day. It just is what it is....
 
I hate glue traps with a passion. And I know people kill mice all the time.
But you can't see a difference between killing a wild pest that is invading your home and a domesticated creature in a cage purposefully bred?

You do know the difference between eliminating a pest and hurting a domesticated animal that wouldn't even be alive in the first place without someone going out of their way to create them, don't you?

One is a threat, and one is not.
 
starsevol said:
You do know the difference between eliminating a pest and hurting a domesticated animal that wouldn't even be alive in the first place without someone going out of their way to create them, don't you?
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Why yes, in fact I do. I'm not a moron. I thought the point being made is an animal is an animal is an animal. People are posting that it doesn't matter that the animal is bred to be food.... it is an animal all the same. The poor little house mouse is an animal too!

I was only making the point that humans torture mice every day in this Country and the pages and pages of bitching on this thread aren't going to change a single thing about that. You do get that don't you?

Anyway.... with that, I'm done on this thread. I originally posted to actually answer the question posted..... and I only posted again after seeing soooooo many posts going on and on and on. You all go right on posting your outrage over this guy pulling teeth out (which btw.... is just hearsay at this point). Go get em!!!
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Have fun :wavey:
 
So are you saying we are not allowed to express our opinions in a forum that is here to promote discussion and thoughts on a topic that is cause for concern? How do you know that these talks wont spark him to speak up and get some change to happen if in fact that guy is doing what we all are being led to believe he does? MAYBE he will!! So quit with the attitude of uselessness you are trying to spread. One chance is always better than no chance.


People have a right to be outraged at things that are outrageous.


Do as you say and be done with this thread. :nope:
 
For starters, the "wrong people" can use this guy a fodder for yet another repitle ban. He gives us all a bad name by doing what he does.

I want him exposed and I want it made public that the reptile community DOES NOT CONDONE this guys actions.
 
Blutengel said:
8This comprehensive Humane Care of Animals Act from Illinois gives the requisite anti-cruelty provisions. "Animal" means every living creature, domestic or wild, but does not include man. Notably, the Act includes a provisions for psychological counseling for a person convicted of violating this section. An individual is guilty of a Class B misdemeanor for the first offense and a second or subsequent violation is a Class 4 felony with every day that a violation continues constituting a separate offense. The Act includes special provisions for juveniles and "companion animal hoarders" (510 ILCS 70/2.10). The cruelty provisions are listed at 510 ILCS 70/3.01, 3.02, and 3.03. (If the convicted person is a juvenile or a companion animal hoarder, the court must order the convicted person to undergo a psychological or psychiatric evaluation and to undergo treatment that the court determines to be appropriate after due consideration of the evaluation.) The owner's duty provisions (510 ILCS 70/3) spell out what care an owner must provide and the legal consequences of neglect. The Act also includes provisions related to guide dog and service animals, police animals, and animal fighting. The statute also prohibits the marketing and distribution of depictions of animal torture or cruelty for entertainment purposes (510 ILCS 70/3.03-1).

(510 ILCS 70/3.01)

Sec. 3.01. Cruel treatment. No person or owner may beat, cruelly treat, torment, starve, overwork or otherwise abuse any animal. No owner may abandon any animal where it may become a public charge or may suffer injury, hunger or exposure.

Where is the part that feeder animals are not included? They are not mentioned as a separate group anywhere.

Yes, I am going on and on but I can't stand it when people claim things they can't support with actual laws.
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ahh yess he isnt in illinois so your wrong. that doesnt pertain to the state he lives in....
 
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