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President May be in Trouble

Nova_C said:
... Regarding the calls for secession, isn't that considered treason?
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BloodyBaroness said:
He was elected by a large number of minority votes, no one is arguing that. Holly claimed the news was bagging on him because he was black, that has nothing to do with ability to be a president.

While it is a terrible idea, if asked for by petition I doubt that it could be considered treasonous. The petitions are, by in large, protected by freedom of speech. These are not actual declarations. However, treason my be preferable to what could be coming down the pipe.
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The petitions were submitted on the whitehouse.gov website and are protected by the first amendment.

1st amendment said:
... the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government ...
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Nova_C said:
This is fascinating.

If what the majority of Americans vote for is so offensive to you, why is treason better than emigration?
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The popular vote was near split 51%-49% not much of a majority.

Nova_C said:
Asians went heavy Dem. Latinos went heavy Dem. Jews went heavy Dem.

Why didn't whites?
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I have no idea why whites voted more evenly than other groups. :shrugs:
 
Nova_C said:
Just curious. I wasn't sure how Americans saw calls to end the union.
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I think, like I initially stated, it was a symbolic gesture. A way of saying we the people don't agree with how our gov is being run.
 
tsst said:
The popular vote was near split 51%-49% not much of a majority.

I have no idea why whites voted more evenly than other groups. :shrugs:
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No different from previous elections, though. Bill Clinton was the last President to enjoy more than a one or two point victory.

I can't claim to know with any certainty why whites voted Republican while virtually every other ethnic group voted Democrat, but it certainly shows that race played a significant factor in this election.
 
tsst said:
I think, like I initially stated, it was a symbolic gesture. A way of saying we the people don't agree with how our gov is being run.
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You mean that you don't agree with how our gov is being run? other's may not think the same way.
 
tsst said:
I think, like I initially stated, it was a symbolic gesture. A way of saying we the people don't agree with how our gov is being run.
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A way of saying that some people don't agree.

The petitions aren't claiming to speak for everyone in each state in question, are they?
 
By that logic, should not all of the people who no longer want to be American leave the country?
 
Nova_C said:
If a state does secede from the union, what do you suggest all the people who want to remain Americans, and support the current administration, do?
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I don't believe states really want to secede. I believe what they want is fiscal responsibility, smaller fedgov as laid out in our constitution, a decrease in the welfare state, less socialism more liberty, etc. The petitions to secede IMHO were intended to point out the overstepping of the fedgov in areas they don't belong.
 
tsst said:
I don't believe states really want to secede. I believe what they want is fiscal responsibility, smaller fedgov as laid out in our constitution, a decrease in the welfare state, less socialism more liberty, etc. The petitions to secede IMHO were intended to point out the overstepping of the fedgov in areas they don't belong.
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Again, this is the perspective of some (IE, a tiny minority) of the people. I think 0.42% of Texas signed the petition last I checked?

These petitions are basically butthurt Republicans acting like sore losers. A majority of Americans voted for the current administration. Welcome to democracy.
 
tsst said:
I don't believe states really want to secede. I believe what they want is fiscal responsibility, smaller fedgov as laid out in our constitution, a decrease in the welfare state, less socialism more liberty, etc. The petitions to secede IMHO were intended to point out the overstepping of the fedgov in areas they don't belong.
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Exactly. The petitions are a symbolic gesture to help convey the distrust in the federal government. The actual process of attempting to secede is not really on the table, liken it to holding a sign and standing in front of the white house.
 
Nova_C said:
Again, this is the perspective of some (IE, a tiny minority) of the people. I think 0.42% of Texas signed the petition last I checked?

These petitions are basically butthurt Republicans acting like sore losers. A majority of Americans voted for the current administration. Welcome to democracy.
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No they did not. The vote was SPILT nearly 50-50, that means a heck of a lot of democrats voted for Romney. The majority of US voters are registered dems.
 
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