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Strange lavender motley progresssion.

Oooh very interesting! Could you contact Joe to see if that's the line that Dior came from? Just going by the comparison links you posted, it looks entirely possible. It would explain her exceptional beauty, wouldn't it?

Best wishes,
 
I have contacted Joe several times, and although he has read my PM's and has been active on the forums, he is yet to respond...

The thing is, how on earth could I prove out if she was a "sunset" lavender. What exactly is sunset? I don't undersatand the gene at all... It has similar effects as the dilute gene IMO.
 
It is rather upsetting that he hasn't responded. You paid for her you have a right to know even if my chance he sent you the wrong thing. Besides that... your beautiful girl can only be good advertisement for him if it is a new morph. I know that I surely would love a 1.1 pair of them.
 
Tula_Montage said:
It has similar effects as the dilute gene IMO.
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Joe mentions that same thing in the thread you found.

Whether it is, or not, doesn't seem to have been proven out... Don't know if more digging may be needed, to find the answer, or if it really has not been.

Wish we lived closer so that I could lend you a homo Dilute (when she is big/old enough & if you wanted) to see if she carries what we know as the Dilute gene (or, of course, if it is not the same thing).

Who knows, we may see known Dilute Lavs, soon enough, for comparison (even if not a proving out of your gal).
 
Thanks guys. I still intend to pair her with my anery stripe. Even if she is homo "sunset" or whatever the gene may be, I'd love to see a striped lavender and an anery lav stripe with her colouration. Its going to be a very fun project :)
 
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I have contacted Joe several times, and although he has read my PM's and has been active on the forums, he is yet to respond...
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Hrm, he's probably really busy with his breeding season starting and all. It doesn't seem like Joe to be uninterested in something like this, he seems VERY active when talking about genetics and possible new genes. :shrugs:
 
I believe what you have is what I have been calling a “Sunset” Lav Motley. There seems to be a milder form of hypo mixed in with the Lavender line. I have isolated out this “unproven” hypo in my Lavender line, and I have also recovered it from Lavs from Rich Z, Stephen Roylance, and Ted Frey.

This is not a Hypo Lav, but a hypomelanistic Lavender. My theory is that in the beginning of the Hypos history, there were two hypo Corns found. One was more extreme than the other and was selected for. The milder form of hypo was mixed in the Hypo Line, but how could you tell? They are very similar.

Now many years later, I have bred Hypo X Hypo several times and produces some Normals in the clutches. These Hypo X Hypo breedings were mainly in the Lav and Crimson lines. I have heard of several other people breeding Hypo X Hypo and not producing 100% Hypos. If we did get a less extreme form of hypo mixed into some of our Hypo Lines how would we know? I am not talking about breedings between proven lines of different hypo genes like Lava X Sunkissed, I am taking about lines that are suppose to be Hypo.

I just happen to get a Lav line in the beginning that contained this gene, without Hypo in the mix. I was able to isolate it out in my Lav colony, so I was able to match it up with other Lav lines.

Here is a photo of a “Sunset” Lav Motley produced from a Stephen Roylance Striped Hypo Lav X Ted Frey “Sunset” Lav Motley. I should have produced Lav Motley het for Hypo, but apparently the very light Striped Hypo Lavs are also homo for “Sunset”. You might say that the Sunset Lav Moltey was actually a Hypo, but it has been tested to Hypo and it is not homo for Hypo.

It does look similar to a Hypo Lav, I know, but believe me when I tell you it is not. “Sunset” Lav X Hypo produces Normals. It is possible it is the Dilute gene and I will test for that, but I do not plan on testing beyond that. It would just be too big of a project to test the unproven hypo out, when it is just a lesser hypo than Hypo is.
 

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Thanks for clarifying Joe. So for future interest, when she does eventually breed with my anery stripe, I should let buyers know she is homo for "some" sort of hypo that is not proven yet? Is it anything to do with the cristmas line? To be honest, she is what I could picture a dilute lavender motley to look like... shes a strange wee lass.

Have you produced many of these and do they all look as mocha as babies? How many lavender motleys did you produce/sell this year and have you had any updates from others that may look like her?
 
Oh and I meant to say, I MUCH prefer the effect of this "milder" hypo gene to regular hypo A. I love the fact Dior looks slightly opaque all the time, does that make sense?

This is deffinatley a gene I am really interested in working with, I can't believe this lass was only $200 LOL
 
Sunset Lav Motley adult female

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Oh and I meant to say, I MUCH prefer the effect of this "milder" hypo gene to regular hypo A. I love the fact Dior looks slightly opaque all the time, does that make sense?LOL
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The Sunsets are born rather normal Lav looking. Soon they become overlayed with pink and appear to be a Hypo Lav. They do look opaque or milky all the time. I have described them as being “ghostly” looking, but we all know why that could be confusing.

I am not personally very impressed with the Sunsets, except for they are definitely a mutant type gene and I know it has caused a lot of confusion with many Hypo lines. The Sunsets are rather “flat” looking instead of brightly colored. Also, when they are grown, the Lav color begins to show itself more and more each year.

Here is a photo of the mother of the above Sunset Lav Motley that looks so much like a Hypo Lav Motley. She too, looked just like him at one time, but now, at first glance she looks pretty much like a Lav Motley, but rather dull. Upon closer examination, you can see her ghostly milky, opaque self underneath.

I think there may be the possibility the gene is the Dilute gene, but for some reason I do not believe it will match up. The Dilutes reduce the shades of colors, but I do not see the constant opaque look going on with them. I expect more from a Dilute Lavender than this.
 

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Well I am impressed, and I love her look :) I'm not a huge fan of peachy lavs that are only peachy in the top third of the body. Heck I'm not that impressed with my hypo lav. I love the slatey, dull, teel look to these lavs.

I can't see Dior going that dark and uniform though, shes extremely colourful already. Why is it that although shes female shes so colourful? Have you any more pictures of the sunset lavs? Did you know you were producing sunset lav mots? Are they difficult to tell apart from non sunsets when they hatch? Sorry for the billion questions lol. I really appreciate your input :)
 
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