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stupid breeders why cant you just leave things be

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Ryan, thanks for the nice blizzard in 2009, she's never developed much yellow.

I'm not advanced like you; diffused hypo stripe 100% het amel, anery a X cremesicle mot het caramel stripe & hypo
 

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Kevin, I'd be interested in getting that male jungle corn het butter motley back if you ever consider selling him. I lost my holdback male unfortunately.:(

Dave, glad the blizzard turned out nice.
That pairing you got there looks pretty advanced to me. All kind of goodies when you breed those F2's.
 
I actually gave him to a local friend and I think she parted with him recently (after he fathered a clutch for her). I'll see if she knows where he is now though. He was a sweet snake and I regret not hanging on to him myself. If you end up with any more stripe or motley jungle corns, let me know.
 
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Ryan Beatty said:
As far as I'm concerned and probably at least 75 to 80% of other breeders/hobbyists a honduran is a honduran as long as it's not a hybrid.
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So very true Ryan. You illustrated my point absolutely perfectly!

And it would be the very same fate for the true Central Guatemalan milks I just acquired recently. As a matter of fact, your illustration is precisely why they vanished decades ago in the first place, and they would AGAIN if around 98% of the hobby mainstream had them instead of me and a couple others who know not to let it happen again.

Also, it's not anything close to what you said about 30 generations ago..LOL!, it goes on every single breeding year Ryan. Just today a guy on a UK forum showed me a textbook red and black bicolored polyzona phenotype he got with a collection of hobby Hondos. What do you think would happen to that one too Ryan if I didn't tell him who to go to for another real L.t.polyzona to breed it with?

Every single year this hobby generally seems to be more and more about not knowing, or not caring to know Ryan......it's sad, but it's just the way it is.

It's also sad that this so-called "cultivar" section had to turn into a "hybrid" section too, but it is what it is I guess.


I'll close with this,......When all people care about anymore are so-called "cool" colors and patterns to produce and sell, regardless of what they are, that's what happens. :noevil:




~Doug
 
:bowdown: We can't all be perfect like you Doug.

You keep working with those obscure milks and localities down to the tree is was found at and I'll keep doing what I'm doing. (Now don't breed the one found at that tree to one found at the bush 10 yards away, those are different localities and you don't want to pollute that pure gene pool!

That said, adios! :wavey:
 
Ryan Beatty said:
:bowdown: We can't all be perfect like you Doug.

You keep working with those obscure milks and localities down to the tree is was found at and I'll keep doing what I'm doing. (Now don't breed the one found at that tree to one found at the bush 10 yards away, those are different localities and you don't want to pollute that pure gene pool!

That said, adios! :wavey:
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A tree or bush doesn't have anything to do with anything, but then again you were only playing your cute little sarcasm games when you can't counter it with anything better. But I won't go changing any species or subspecies I have at the drop of a hat like you don't have a problem doing. :wavey:


~Doug
 
I have been reading this thread and thought I would show you guys my "abominations" They are sweet and I love them to do.

Anyone care to guess about this do what makes them "abominations" in somes eyes. I believe they are corn snakes
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Hybrids: The definition of selfism in this hobby:

Hellacious
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Belligerent
" Reasoning "
Involving
Destroying
Snakes

Nothing else needs to be said.
 
beautifullywild77 said:
I have been reading this thread and thought I would show you guys my "abominations" They are sweet and I love them to do.

Anyone care to guess about this do what makes them "abominations" in somes eyes. I believe they are corn snakes
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Well, since you mentioned the word "abominations", I guess you meant that for me. How about you telling me what they are?


~Doug
 
A beautiful normal het ultra, amel and anery ph strip hypo p. redcoat/redfactor
A beautiful anery het ultra amel ph strip hypo

They look just like normal corns but since they het for ultra many believe they freezer fodder or abominations. And really is what the this thread was about.

I dont believe they are hybrids despite what some big names have said and from what Rich Z said.
 
Ya know, I just can't seem to understand why everyone is getting upset about hybridization. It occurs naturally in the wild, and, frankly, it strengthens the genetic diversity of the species.

And for that matter, it produces some beautiful reptiles.

Speciesists.
 
beautifullywild77 said:
A beautiful normal het ultra, amel and anery ph strip hypo p. redcoat/redfactor
A beautiful anery het ultra amel ph strip hypo

They look just like normal corns but since they het for ultra many believe they freezer fodder or abominations. And really is what the this thread was about.

I dont believe they are hybrids despite what some big names have said and from what Rich Z said.
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That's fine. :D Where you expecting an argument? When you acquired them your intent probably wasn't to intentionally breed them to as many other types of snakes as you could possibly find either, so no harm done whatsoever as far as I'm concerned. Nobody can undo anything anyway, and that's really the entire problem. Once something has been done it can't be taken back or "un-done" The more important thing is not to KNOWINGLY strip the specific or subspecific integrity of everything you can possibly get your hands on that others in the hobby have worked so hard to keep authentic, be it a morph or a normal. Ryan and some others seem to be under this false impression that I claim everything has to be bred to another same type from a bush less than 30 feet away or else it is "freezer fodder". I have no problem with breeding an Eastern king from Georgia to an Eastern king from New Jersey as our friend Ryan sarcastically eluded to, because the subspecies would remain the very same. The sarcasm ensues because they don't know of anything else to dream up that can legitimately counter what I am stating.


~Doug
 
Clovis said:
Ya know, I just can't seem to understand why everyone is getting upset about hybridization. It occurs naturally in the wild, and, frankly, it strengthens the genetic diversity of the species.

And for that matter, it produces some beautiful reptiles.

Speciesists.
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Frankly Clovis, we're talking about personal collections throughout the hobby, not what can possibly happen in the wild. Nobody is claiming there aren't some pretty hybrids either. What would make a hybrid any "stronger" genetically than a Georgia Eastern king bred to an Eastern king from New Jersey?. Those two populations never met and inbred Clovis??. Same thing with a corn from South Florida to a corn in North Carolina?. What does comparing apples to oranges have to do with anything here???. Anyone can find anything(if the wanted to that is) to "strengthen" their stock genetically. That is a bogus smokescreen that hybridizers pseudo-justify with that doesn't hold any water whatsoever. Anyone with any common sense can figure that out if they think really really hard. :laugh:

Are you saying all these hybridizers are merely trying to genetically "strengthen" their stock??? HAHAHAHAHA!!!, for chrissakes man! Am I in the twighlight zone here or something? They do it simply to see what they can produce and sell, and in the course of all of that don't give two craps about how it might affect anyone else's stuff in their collections when they go to a pet store or Joe-blow's vending table at a show. Can anyone come up with some better countering reasons other than "they want to" and that's all there is to it?..LOL!


~Doug
 
Discern, that's your opinion and nothing more, nothing less.

Doug, the sarcasm was directed to you b/c I'm tired of your holier that thou crap.

Let me and the other hybrid supporters/breeders do what we are passionate about just the same as we let you do what you are passionate about.

Despite what you think no one needs your freakin' permission to breed snakes! :angry01:

We don't come to your "pure" forums stirring up trouble like you do on other forums.......you know exactly what I'm talking about.

You've bullied people on other forums with your big words and convoluted explanations for way too long and I got tired of it, thats why I spoke up this time.

I can use big words too but they aren't required to prove a point or make a solid argument. I'm educated enough and I've got the testicular foritude to stand up to you and go blow for blow with you buddy.

A LOT of the big name breeders have "frankensnakes" in their racks but won't tell anyone b/c of people like you shaming them. Even Rich admitted to having hybrids at one time, so your derogatory statements have included him as well you know.

Hybrid breeders have been shunned for way too long and it's time for a change and if I and other's like me have to lead it, then so be it.

If you don't like the way this forum turned out, your welcome to excuse yourself......don't let the door hit you on the butt on the way out!
 
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